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Author: | diafel [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | The jerk last night |
This is part rant, part commentary, part post asking what you would have done. Last night, at the beginning of the night, a pair of "singers" came up and did a duet. One guy had zero clue about how to use a mic. He was screaming in the mic and forced me to turn him right off at one point. The moron had no clue. After he was done, I made an announcement over the mic to the bar, because this crowd seemed to warrant it. (I RARELY have to do this). "Microphones are designed to amplify sound. Yelling or screaming is already amplified. The two are not compatible to my speakers, my ears, and everyone else's ears." to which everyone applauded.I then gave a very quick demonstration on how to pull back the mic when you get louder, so as not to blow our eardrums off. Fair enough. The night went on until 2 hours later, when said idiot comes up and wants to "beat box". I tell him no because 1) this is a KARAOKE show, not an open mic night and 2) he doesn't know how to use a mic and I'm not willing to risk it. (his demeanor got my spidey sense up). He continues to ask and after at least 10 times within the space of a minute, I finally tell him "What part of no don't you understand? Didn't your mama teach what that meant?" I finally had to walk away from my board to get him away from me. He then proceeds to send anyone and everyone up to me to ask me. I tell them all no. Now I'm starting to get annoyed. In between all this, he keeps coming up and asking. I seriously tried to be nice but after the 40th time, my patience was wearing thin. I finally tell him, "I don't know how to be any more clear to you. No means NO. It doesn't mean that the more you ask the more likely it is for me to change my mind. It doesn't mean send all your friend and even people you don't even know up to harass me while I'm working in hopes of changing my mind. The answer is NO". So now we are getting near to the end of the night. After being harassed for almost the whole 2 hours, he gets one of the current singers to hand over one of the mics (it was a duet). I turn his mic off. He then takes the other. I turn that off too. I stop the music and call up the next singer. I then tell him that NO means NO! He asks me why are you being such a biatch? Because of this comment, it makes me realize that he is right, that I WAS being a biatch and that I REALLY like him and his style. It makes me feel so bad and endears me to him so much that I have an epiphany and realize how wrong I was and that I just HAVE to let him at it. STOP! WAIT! That's HIS fantasy! So now I'm pissed! Then he realizes his mistake and starts telling me he knows I'm a nice person why can't he just get up there? He gets the same answer. GAWD! Some peoples' children! So another couple singers down the line..... same thing. I turn off the mics and call the next. We get to the last song of the night which the waitress (shes new) has begged me to put up. I was going to end with the previous song, but this was a new singer and she begged me. Fair enough. But never again! Not only does the person named not come up (it was another guy - Delaney is a GIRL's name, I thought - but you never know), but within seconds, guess who takes the mic?. Now I'm done. I shut it down and head out side to cool off. Moron comes out and we end up in a yelling match, with him defining a karaoke show, correctly, I might add, and then insisting that he should be able to "freestyle" because that's what a karaoke show "should" be. I make it clear to him that this is MY show and MY equipment and I run it MY way. He tells me he's won 47 beat box competitions and he has his own CD out there. THAT's how good he is. I tell him "then why are you here and not in LA making boatloads of money?" I also tell him "so what? you have your own CD. Big deal! ANYONE can record." He proceeds to call me a biatch. So yeah, it degenerated into a shouting match, but I disengaged and walked back into the bar to tear down. In the meantime, the bar owner has come out, basically to keep an eye out, I think. After a minute or so, dinglenuts comes back in and tries to start it again. I cut him off and tell him "I'm done talking to you." He insists and back outside I go, just to get away. After a minute or so, I go back inside to finish tearing down. By this time idiotsticks is outside again. Now he's having issues with his very drunk girlfriend and it appears that he's treating her very badly. All the while he keeps turning to the window and trying to egg me on. I ignore the butthead and finish up. As I'm hauling my gear out to the van, he makes comments at me, calling me a biatch and so forth. I ignore him. I have never felt the need to ban anyone before but this guy has earned it in my books. Now the question: Is there a way to prevent this kind of crap in the future? Actually letting him get up there is NOT an option. It's not the style of my show and although there were quite a few people who would have enjoyed that, there were far more who would NOT. Also, once I let him up, now all of his friends want to get up there to try and out-do him. It quickly degenerates and I lose control of my show and my singers leave. What could I have done to make it clear to him that he was NOT getting up there to beat box and in the process get him to leave me alone? |
Author: | timberlea [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
You can't stop an idiot from being an idiot, but you can ask security/management to remove the offender. |
Author: | Karen K [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
That was going to be my response, too. By the time I finished reading your post, Diafel, I was angry! Public embarrassment, after a quiet but firm request to GO AWAY!, is my next step. Barring that, straight to the bartender/security. This guy obviously has the nagging thing down pat - parents probably reneged on every "no" they ever said. "I've got a CD." Oh well, that makes all the difference in the world. NOT. I guess my hormones would dictate how I'd handle the guy - he might be just a pilel of torn fabric if things went just right .. . |
Author: | diafel [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
Thanks. I guess I didn't realize how bad it would get. Next time, I'll definitely ask the owner to get the guy off my back waaaay sooner. I guess I figured that the doofus would finally get it and get off my back. I stand corrected and I will need to have management handle the situation in the future. |
Author: | karyoker [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
Never argue with somebody. A confrontation should be over the mic and recorded if possible... NEVER EVER have a confrontation outside esp where there are no witnesses. Staff should have never let this drunk get to this level of irritation. He was annoying evreybody else in the process. I would have a talk with the bar tender mngr. |
Author: | TopherM [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
The only other thing I would have done would be to get the owner/door guy/male bartender involved. Someone with the authority to kick this guy out of the bar should have helped you diffuse the situation by basically tell him to calm down or get out. Besides that, nothing much you can do. If you did ask for help, and the bar owner/bouncers didn't want to kick this guy out, then you have a communication/boundries issue with the ownership that probably needs to be cleared up. If you didn't ask for their help, then you should have fairly early on. I get guys like this all the time, and I can usually handle it myself, but if there is ALOT of alcohol involved, or just persistent problems like you had, I just tell my door guy to keep an eye on the guy, and the reason. If the problem persists, by door guy won't hesitate to throw people out for me. |
Author: | Moonrider [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
diafel @ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:36 pm wrote: He continues to ask and after at least 10 times within the space of a minute, I finally tell him "What part of no don't you understand? Didn't your mama teach what that meant?"
I finally had to walk away from my board to get him away from me. Right there I would have walked to the owner / manager on duty, described the situation, and told him the guy needed to be removed before I could continue the show. |
Author: | Lone Wolf [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
I have to agree with Timberlea, I would not have put up with it 1/4 as long as you did! After about the 3rd time he came up and asked I would have informed management that he was harassing you and would have asked to have him removed. If management would not have handled it I would have made an announcement that due to (enter his name here) behavior the show is now finished and shut things off and started tearing down. Somehow I think that if your crowd wanted to keep singing that they would have handled it. Don't put up with JERKS, and if management has a problem with it you need to find someone who will. |
Author: | diafel [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
When I went outside, there were a lot of people outside so I wasn't alone out there. There are also huge windows. Thanks Ollie, for reminding me, though, to never put myself in a situation where I'm alone with a potentially violent person. He did actually start to grab my hands and I told him "Get your hands off me!" in such a way that he took his hands back so fast that it looked like he'd touched something hot. I guess he had! Had he done it again, I was prepared to deck him and lay him out flat. Thankfully, it didn't happen that way and there were enough people around that I was in no real danger. |
Author: | karyoker [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
I could do it easy enough but that might be a deterrent. Push something on the board and say on the mic This is being recorded What do you want? |
Author: | diafel [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
I've been told before that I have way too much patience. I need to shorten it, I guess. But when I do lose it, LOOK OUT! Great idea, Lone Wolf about shutting it down! I suspect that had I gone to the owner, that he would not have handled it properly, if at all. I guess that may be part of why I never went to him. I'm used to other venues where the problem is spotted right away and looked after before I ever need to think about it. There is no doorman at this bar. There is only the 70+ year old owner who tightly controls everything requiring a decision. The bartender is a strapping young guy in his mid 20's who could handle it, but is prevented from doing so by the owner. Thanks again for the shutting down idea! |
Author: | jr2423 [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
diafel @ Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:05 pm wrote: ...I suspect that had I gone to the owner, that he would not have handled it properly, if at all. I guess that may be part of why I never went to him. ...The bartender is a strapping young guy in his mid 20's who could handle it, but is prevented from doing so by the owner. ...
I personnaly won't work for venue who will not back me up. It only has to happen once, and I'm gone. However your course of action would have to depend on your need for the gig. |
Author: | Lonman [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
As far as the screamer singers, get a compressor with a limiter - you get these singer, turn up the compression, set the limiter and they will be no louder over the speakers than if they were singing normally. This will alleviate that problem. As far as the beat boxing, I get those singers all the time that do a freestyle over the music - it's their time IMO, let them have at it. It's only for a 3-4 minutes & sometimes it can really pump the crowd if they are good, otherwise it's sometimes funny to watch - provided they keep within our bars rules of no profanity over the mic, I don't have any problems with it. |
Author: | knightshow [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
LOVED the fantasy bit! ! hindsight is always 20/20, but having gone through this NOW, I bet the next time you'll be a lot more cooler and collected. Personally, I'm a big guy, so it's not easy to intimidate me. It has been done before, and probably will in the future too. But I control my equipment and how I run the show. After the 2nd person came up asking to have him beatmix, I'd have gotten on the microphone and made a VERY clear announcement. You did good, but the whole venue needed to hear this. "Karaoke only! That doesn't mean beat mixing, lipsyncing ala Milli Vanilli (although that can be fun to have another karaoke singer singing it while you TRY to lip sync it and do their moves... but I digress)..." You're correct... the guy should have gotten it. And if it kept going, now's the time to sit back, smile, and shake your head NO. Like you said, "I'm done talking to you." THAT should have been said way eariler... then you don't get angry... just irritated at other people's kids. Every time someone asked... "No!" Every time someone pleaded... "No!" Eventually, I'd stop talking and stop acknowledging the request. Ignoring people like that can go a long way. But yeah, the management should have gotten involved a LONG time before this. Chances are they saw you handling it in your own way. Doesn't make it right. A simple question of "Hey, is everything alright up here?" can go a lonnnnng way ! |
Author: | missbipbip [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
Your best support can be the bar owners/ bartenders/ managers, and you really have to utilize that resource to help you in situations such as this. I can't understand why they didn't see what was going on anyway and offer you assistance. I don't usually even have to ask for help, but when I do, I expect support from them the same way that I would offer support for them if they needed it. You should never let a situation make you feel overly uncomfortable and angry before you deal with it, and I think it went on so long you "lost it", which is a human reaction. It is so hard to deal with people like that, and like you, I absolutely hate it when a person thinks they should get special treatment because they have made a cd or recording. It makes me feel like saying the same thing you did. |
Author: | Frank V. [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
Never argue with an idiot. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Summon the bouncer and ask the offender to be ejected. |
Author: | karaokeking211 [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
Sorry to hear you had to deal with that diafel. That can kill a show quick not to mention it dampens your spirits and your interaction with the other custies. My fellow KJs and I have a label for those type of custys. We call them B.O.D.s (bags of douche). There seems to be a B.O.D. in every crowd and I have no tollerance for them. You can't reason with B.O.D.s and arguing with them does no good. If they do not understand my explanation the first time I tell them that I'm done and if they continue to argue that they will be asked to leave. Of course the bar has to have your back and follow through if it comes to that. |
Author: | angel910 [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
Safety first. Don't let them follow you to the restroom either. Go with somebody. Have someone watch you load the equipment. He had his first and last chance. Explain very clearly the entire story to the bar owner. The next time you see him walk in the bar go directly to the bar owner or bouncer or bartender and inform them the troublemaker is here and he needs to leave now or no karaoke. Let them decide how it goes from there. See what happens. Ask yourself this question. Is the bar paying me enough to put up with this jerk? The answer is usually NO. I have a low tolerance for jerks as it should be. One can ruin a lot in a little time. |
Author: | supercharged [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
hey cool..I think ive dealt with this idiot. any bar ive done more than 5 shows in I would have taken care of it and removed him myself..then again im 6-3 and 220. it takes a lot to tinkle me off, but most people figure it out when they have. In most cases management figure out that somebody need to leave before i feel the need to remove them. |
Author: | diafel [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The jerk last night |
supercharged @ Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:05 pm wrote: In most cases management figure out that somebody need to leave before i feel the need to remove them.
That's what I'm used to, but apparently it's not like that at this venue. I will use the advice suggested earlier on to ask the owner sooner to take care of it and failing that, stopping the show and announcing on the mic that the show will not continue unless the doofus is taken care of. |
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