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I ask each of you, particularly those of you who have found that your show is NOT in fact TOTALLY about EACH singers singing experience --- or really about the singers at all

Tell us what makes your show work

Have any of you found that it is the camaraderie of those in attendance that holds your show together?

Or maybe what holds your show together is the people come primarily to have fun and anything that adds to their fun, funny gyrations, funny looks, funny hats, funny attempts at playing a plastic instrument, or singer's cute attempts at singing a song regardless of how it actually "sounds" as compared to a professional effort?

Or maybe it is the venue that attracts people, the menu, the quality of the food, the decor, the wait staff, the bartenders, the lighting, the ambiance?

Perhaps you are the reason people come to your show

I believe a simple answer to your question would be a combination of all the aspects you mentioned. I run several shows a week and each is fun and entertaining in it's own way. Some shows it is props that make it special, other shows its a fog machine and lights, etc, and of course sometime its the crowd. Once in a while I even think I contribute.

Yes... it is always about the singer in the long run. If you are going to build a brand then you have to know your singers. There is a expectation when singers come to our show, it doesn't matter which one. If that expectation is not met management hears about it immeadiatly. Probably because our nuber is posted on all our karaoke slips. In the long run you build a reputation and over the years your reputation will follow you. "The alcoholics will stay, the entertainers will go".

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CHECK YOUR ATTITUDE AT THE DOOR, STICK AROUND YOU JUST MIGHT HAVE SOME FUN

i thinks more about ME then about US but thats just ME...

I assume this question is from a KJ's perspective.

It's about the singer and much more...it HAS to be. A succesful Karaoke show can not survive on JUST singers singing. It's about the singers FRIENDS and other non singers who come to support and or just listen and have fun. Don't get me wrong without singers there is NO karaoke show. But it's a combination that makes for a long running show.

I've seen shows were all the regular singers were happy...came every week to sing and spend some momey. But the OWNER wasn't happy.
#1- not enough money being spent buy the "karaoke crowd'
#2 - non singers were not happy with the karaoke.

You got to learn to keep everyone JUST HAPPY ENOUGH !!!

Thge biggest factor about being a successful karaoke host is, can you deliver a large crowd, consistantly. I do it with karaoke. I'm a professional KJ.

Can you take your style of show to any venue, in any town, the way it is? My show is the same in Alaska, Florida, Maine or Mexico. My format, my sound will not deviate. I'm that consistant. My formula is very successful and i am comfortable doing it at anytime of the day.

KJs need singers. KJs need nonsingers.

The only problem with this is that people are NOT the same wherever you go. Each place has its own set of customs and attitudes.
Have you actually held shows in Alaska, Florida, Maine and Mexico?
I would seriously doubt it.
Once again, you are giving opinion, rather than "Facts", because the "facts" are that you haven't held shows in these places.
Having said that, your assumptions are not correct.
Although people are people wherever you go, these difference WILL have an impact.
It can even happen from neighborhood to neighborhood in the same city and even bar to bar.
If you are not flexible enough to bend to each venue's needs, you will not survive, no matter what you may think.
Having been to a show in Mexico, I can say that their idea of karaoke is quite a bit different than our own, and even the expectations regarding rotation, sound, and crowd response are vastly different. If I tried to run my show in Mexico even close to the way I do at home, I would not last very long at all and I seriously doubt you would either.

I'd be curious how Mexico differs than here....expound!


According to no lesser authorities than Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney, people are the same wherever we go (Ebony and Ivory lyrics).

I adapt to the enviroment. not every venue is the same.

Mojo

They don't follow any kind of regular rotation and people are OK with it.
It's pretty haphazard, actually.
Karaoke there is fun and nothing more. No seriousness at all to it. If you're too serious about your singing, or the disc manufacturer, forget it! You WILL be frowned upon.
VERY different than here!

diafel, your first post was full of,,,, well good stuff.

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We have KJs here that run shows like that. No rotation, no fairness and the sound sucks. So they could be smash hits in MEXICO. They can find work here.

I'm saying i will run the exact same show in any part of the country. The only thing that will change will be the location of the show.

I can find people that will like my style. Just as you have found people that come to your shows. We are a few thousand miles apart. Does it matter?

If it isn't ALWAYS about the singer's singing experience, then perhaps it's about how much fun the singers and their friends are having and/or other factors

If the preceding is true and many believe that IT IS fact a true statement.......then the sound system cannot be the critical element in producing an enjoyable, satisfying and financially successful show.

And if the sound system is not the critical element, then a KJ who can do nothing more than harp about the propriety of their rotation and the quality of their equipment has nothing more to offer when those factors are of little importance to the audience!

OK let's get down to the nitty-gritty of karaoke.

For everyone that thinks the talent level of the singers doesn't matter.

Someone mentioned earlier about seeing potential customers keep walking past the door when they heard a singer that wasn't that good.

Did that hurt the business any? If people would rather keep walking than come in and spend money? Think about it.

Will one bad singer hurt your night?

How about 2? 3? 4? 5?

At some point that bars bottom line will be drastically effected by too many bad singers. People will not stay if they are not having FUN because they can't stand to hear all the bad singers any longer. Nobody pays to hear a band that sucks.

Now if anyone here can honestly say the talent level doesn't matter is lying or you are too busy having FUN to see the crowds leaving. I have experienced people leaving after certain singers start their song.

Listening to bad singers ceases to be fun after a while. Unless you are bombed out of your mind and you can hear anymore. Nobody is going to continually support a show that has nothing but FUN bad singers.

I still firmly believe a show with a good system and good singers will remain popular.

I can't say the same for a crap sounding system and bad singers having fun.

Given the choice between a room full of good singers or a room full of bad singers which will you pick. You have the power to decide which singer comes to your show by the quality of your show. THAT INCLUDES THE SOUND SYSTEM AND HOW YOU USE IT. Good singers don't want to spend time and money sucking. Bad singers don't care.

Where am i wrong?

I have left bars early where I didn't enjoy the jukebox music being played, but the bar never went out of business because of me leaving. There is always someone that etiher likes the music, could care less about the music, or is tone deaf that will take my place.

Karaoke is about the customers having fun. Good singers are a bonus, but most that go to karaoke shows know that there may not be good singers. The people that walked in the bar & turned around and left may have done so BECAUSE karaoke was there. Just happened to coincide with a bad singer, no one knows the real reason. I typically get decent singers as a rule, but have had the nights where it was kind of painful to listen to, however the crowd that was there that night still stayed & had fun.

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I'm not talking about 1 or 2 bad singers.

I'm talking about reaching the tipping point of bad singers, where the crowd that normally would have stayed all night leaves instead. At that tipping point the FUN ends and the bars start losing money. Maybe long term money.

I have heard the comments and seen bad crowd reactions when some people started singing. Just like some people will go smoke or to the restrooms when certain people sing. Some just leave period.

If the KJ is blinded by the fact that some people seem to be having FUN, the rest of the crowd left out the back door.

I don't consider good singers a bonus. My crowds, the good singers are the normal crowd. I'm suprised when someone sucks. People don't leave because the singers are good.

I think that's part of the problem. People assume that all karaoke shows are nothing but bad singers having FUN with a few good serious singers sprinkled in. That is a BIG misconception that i would like to see change and i am trying to change it.

Good sound and good singers having FUN, what a novel approach to karaoke.

Me neither, I was talking an entire crowd of bad singers on occasion.


I encourage ALL to sing - good or bad. People leave because of all different reasons!


It's karaoke, if you said you didn't have bad singers on occasion I would believe you even less than is possible right now.

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I have bad singers but they are not my normal nightly crowd. They are the exception, not the rule.

They do not reach the tipping point. But i watch crowd reactions during their songs. The chatter goes up and more people go smoke or to the restrooms.

I consider that interfering with or interrupting the FUN. When other people are altering their activities by who is singing. HOW IS THAT FUN?

You are in the middle of a converstation or dancing or whatever and you and everyone else suddenly stops and does something to "get away" from the bad singer.

FUN ENDS WHEN THE SINGER SUCKS. And if you have a room full explain the FUN aspect of that? My ears hurt and that's FUN? Not in my book. Drunk out of your mind, maybe. Drunk to escape the bad singers, maybe.

Because the person who is singing just wants to sing. If it's fun for the crowd that is singing bad to begin with & they are not leaving, then it is a non-issue. It happens, it's karaoke.
I have been to packed shows out of town - where a good singer was the exception - guess what it was still fun. May have been because there were no other shows around or it could have been the bar & price & friends hanging out together. But it wasn't very good singing & still enjoyable. Much to YOUR dismay, karaoke doesn't have to be good singers only - it's a bonus! Not a requirement, if so your VAST experience should tell you that.

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