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Try Power CD+G Burner. The best $39.00 you'll ever spend. Well worth it.
Either way, try it before you go buy a new burner. I've heard others have had luck with it on supposedly unsupported drives so it's worth a shot.

1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs.

I checked my drive specs with NERO info tool and the results show support for READ -TEXT, +G but no support for WRITE. I'm guessing I need to purchase a new drive that can read/write cd+g discs...

I want to make copies of the originals I purchased. What is the easiest way to make copies without ripping, zipping, etc?

Thanks

diafel @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:16 pm wrote:

Works great, and I love it, but two drawbacks for this particular OP:

1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs.

I am using the drive on my home computer (not laptop) so it can handle the abuse, and if not a replacement drive is maybe $50.
Thanks

JoeChartreuse @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:47 pm wrote:

In copy mode it rips to BIN files, so it is a direct copy. MP3 is used only when ripping to hard drive (and it is possible to select BIN there as well).

I have done some research but can't say this for a fact so if anyone can put me straight PLEASE DO! And that being said....

I don't think it should be possible to make a direct copy using CDR. As I understand it, the graphics information is not held in a file but in the timing byte of the pressed CD. The timing byte tells the CD drive how fast the disk is turning. In order to write information using the CDR process, the drive would already have to know how fast the disk is turning and therefore the timing byte would be pre-written and probably can't be overwritten. So, as far as duping the disk with CDR goes you're S-O-L.

Once again, this is mostly deduction on my part but it seems to make sense in my twisted mind at least.

So far I have copied about 80 discs and all that I have checked seem to work fine. I have noticed about 3 discs took over an hour to rip (in copy mode) then burned in normal amount of time. I believe all 3 were from ALL STAR. The drive makes a lot of noise while ripping these (disc speeding up, slowing down, starting, stopping). I can see where this kind of regular use would be very hard on a drive.

Anyone else notice particular disc from a manufacturers with this behavior?

Thanks

Author:	Kona D [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:36 am ]
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I checked my drive specs with NERO info tool and the results show support for READ -TEXT, +G but no support for WRITE. I'm guessing I need to purchase a new drive that can read/write cd+g discs... I want to make copies of the originals I purchased. What is the easiest way to make copies without ripping, zipping, etc? Thanks

Author:	diafel [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:16 am ]
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Try Power CD+G Burner. The best $39.00 you'll ever spend. Well worth it. Either way, try it before you go buy a new burner. I've heard others have had luck with it on supposedly unsupported drives so it's worth a shot.

Author:	Kona D [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:31 pm ]
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Tried it. Worked. Bought it. Thanks!

Author:	JoeChartreuse [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:47 pm ]
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diafel @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:16 pm wrote: Try Power CD+G Burner. The best $39.00 you'll ever spend. Well worth it. Either way, try it before you go buy a new burner. I've heard others have had luck with it on supposedly unsupported drives so it's worth a shot. Works great, and I love it, but two drawbacks for this particular OP: 1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs. 2) If one were to burn backups for an entire collection, it would put a large strain on a drive (laptop) not meant to take it. When you acquire some extra funds, you might look at the Microboards QuicDisc duplicator. This is a standalone unit that is made for professional use. It includes built in firmware for several apps including error corection, disc testing, multi speed duplication ( you want slower for karaoke discs than for others, and can copy other types as discs as well. It can effectively remaster a crappy disc, and will copy almost anything, including old mediacloq discs. It's lasers are pro strength resulting in clearer copies that last longer. It's disc to disc direct, and it's drives can stand up to a LOT more wear than a laptop's. The downside is that it runs over $300, but I can tell you that, being disc based, it has paid for itself over and over for me. Power CDG is terrific. This is just a more professional, time-saving, and better- but more expensive- alternative...

Author:	Jian [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:34 pm ]
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Quote: 1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs. Can it not rip the files to .wav? I am sure there must be option to do that in any good ripping program.

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Author:	Micky [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:53 pm ]
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Kona D @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:36 pm wrote: I checked my drive specs with NERO info tool and the results show support for READ -TEXT, +G but no support for WRITE. I'm guessing I need to purchase a new drive that can read/write cd+g discs... I want to make copies of the originals I purchased. What is the easiest way to make copies without ripping, zipping, etc? Thanks Probably no need to buy another drive, the suggested software here should work just fine Power CDG is perfect for that

Author:	Kona D [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:46 am ]
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I am using the drive on my home computer (not laptop) so it can handle the abuse, and if not a replacement drive is maybe $50. I checked some of the copies and they seem to work fine. Not sure what the difference is between direct copy and having to rip to MP3. Power CD+G Burner software has a copy button. I select copy and it tells me when to put in a blank disc (memorex didn't work. Maxell and Magnavox do ) Done. Sometimes it doesn't recognize the disc as being blank but a 2nd attempt always works. For the first several shows I will bring originals with just in case. I did look at the Microboards Quick Disc Duplicator and the price was $199 w/free shipping. Not bad and I may eventually pick one up but $200 is one more night playing for equipment. Thanks

Author:	exweedfarmer [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:39 pm ]
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JoeChartreuse @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:47 pm wrote: diafel @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:16 pm wrote: Try Power CD+G Burner. The best $39.00 you'll ever spend. Well worth it. Either way, try it before you go buy a new burner. I've heard others have had luck with it on supposedly unsupported drives so it's worth a shot. Works great, and I love it, but two drawbacks for this particular OP: 1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs. Did I read this right? Power CD+G burner doesn't make a CD+G disk. It makes an MP3+CDG? If that's true it clears up a mystery for me.

Author:	sw00000p [ Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:27 pm ]
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Kona D @ Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:46 am wrote: I am using the drive on my home computer (not laptop) so it can handle the abuse, and if not a replacement drive is maybe $50. Thanks I have a Dell DeskTop Quad Core... 4 Processors! I can Rip 'N Burn Karaoke, Videos and Music extremly fast. I've Burned-Out 3 Drives over the last few years Yea, it's relatively easy and inexpensive to replace the Drive... What a pain in the neck, not to mention the Down Time! If you plan on burning a lot... Like Me... Take Joe's advice, and get a Duplicator! Kind Regards, sw00000p

Author:	powerkaraoke [ Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:10 am ]
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JoeChartreuse @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:47 pm wrote: Works great, and I love it, but two drawbacks for this particular OP: 1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs. In copy mode it rips to BIN files, so it is a direct copy. MP3 is used only when ripping to hard drive (and it is possible to select BIN there as well).

Author:	JoeChartreuse [ Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:00 pm ]
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powerkaraoke @ Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:10 am wrote: JoeChartreuse @ Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:47 pm wrote: Works great, and I love it, but two drawbacks for this particular OP: 1) It does rip first, so that the backup disc is actually made from an MP3. If that isn't what you want, you must make direct copies from discs. In copy mode it rips to BIN files, so it is a direct copy. MP3 is used only when ripping to hard drive (and it is possible to select BIN there as well). Ok, I just went over it, and I oopsed! Apologies for that part of my post. However, what I said about wear and tear on the PC drive stands. It's not made for heavy work, and it's burners aren't pro grade. Go for the a stand alone when you can... BTW, though I love the QuicDisc, someone told me that Allessus makes a cheap version for under $200. You would have to research it, because he wasn't sure if it would copy karaoke discs, or if it had any embedded firmware enhancements...

Author:	exweedfarmer [ Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:52 am ]
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I have done some research but can't say this for a fact so if anyone can put me straight *PLEASE DO!* And that being said.... I don't think it should be possible to make a direct copy using CDR. As I understand it, the graphics information is not held in a file but in the timing byte of the pressed CD. The timing byte tells the CD drive how fast the disk is turning. In order to write information using the CDR process, the drive would already have to know how fast the disk is turning and therefore the timing byte would be pre-written and probably can't be overwritten. So, as far as duping the disk with CDR goes you're S-O-L. Once again, this is mostly deduction on my part but it seems to make sense in my twisted mind at least.

Author:	Kona D [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:45 am ]
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So far I have copied about 80 discs and all that I have checked seem to work fine. I have noticed about 3 discs took over an hour to rip (in copy mode) then burned in normal amount of time. I believe all 3 were from ALL STAR. The drive makes a lot of noise while ripping these (disc speeding up, slowing down, starting, stopping). I can see where this kind of regular use would be very hard on a drive. Anyone else notice particular disc from a manufacturers with this behavior? Thanks

Author:	srnitynow [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:58 am ]
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I had the same problem with a couple of Allstar Karaoke discs, couldn't get them to rip. Finally gave up on them. No matter what I tried, on 2 different computers. Srnitynow

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Author:	JoeChartreuse [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:56 pm ]
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exweedfarmer @ Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:52 am wrote: I have done some research but can't say this for a fact so if anyone can put me straight *PLEASE DO!* And that being said.... I don't think it should be possible to make a direct copy using CDR. As I understand it, the graphics information is not held in a file but in the timing byte of the pressed CD. The timing byte tells the CD drive how fast the disk is turning. In order to write information using the CDR process, the drive would already have to know how fast the disk is turning and therefore the timing byte would be pre-written and probably can't be overwritten. So, as far as duping the disk with CDR goes you're S-O-L. Once again, this is mostly deduction on my part but it seems to make sense in my twisted mind at least. I have to ask if your rquestion is in regard to a burn aon a PC only? The stand alone duplicator is a direct to disc read and burn. Although the QuicDisc is capable of a scan and save for use of the firmware correction feature, it is not a part of the standard copy procedure- thats a straight optical read and burn, no firmware/software/ storage involved. Software based PC copy procedures may certainly be different, and you have more knowledge of those than I.