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Wait, I'm confused, Why is "Poop" mentioned at the bottom big as day. Wouldn't they be in competition with each other? or are they the same thing,

Currently ORKA is not seeking any membership dues all we ask is the service you provide in the karaoke industry is piracy free. ORKA will provide a certificate with serial # after music library has been certified. ORKA is going to provide this service for free until the end of 2009.

...Either join POOP and use POOP certified tracks, or risk the unknown. Because if you do join POOP and only use POOP certified tracks, you're at least safe from lawsuits from POOP ... or are you?

Ok, here's the one and only organization for YOU! J.O.E. , which stands for "Joe's Own Entry" into the org biz....

Yup, I will send you, absolutely free of charge:

1) An autographed picture of ME

2) A Gen-you-ine modern computer generated certificate that says you know me, and I say all of your songs are legal

3) A stick pen with my logo on it

Note: A) There will be a small shipping charge of $50- to be received in advance.

B) All return addresses will be forwarded to BMI/ASCAP

SO JOIN J.O.E.

CroakDog @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm wrote:

...Either join POOP and use POOP certified tracks, or risk the unknown. Because if you do join POOP and only use POOP certified tracks, you're at least safe from lawsuits from POOP ... or are you?

It's all beginning to sound like just a lot of POOP to me :!:

CroakDog @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm wrote:

I need a Altoid.

Altoid? Heck, all this POOP just gave me a Hemorrhoid :!:

Author:	SwingcatKurt [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:15 pm ]
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I was just made aware of this organization in Oregon. Haven heard of them before now. Anyone ever come across this group???? http://orkaassoc.com/ They seem to be pretty intense.

Author:	karaoke koyote [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:56 pm ]
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MAO. What a joke. Check out the long "membership list", and the number of "Certified Venues." 0 in both cases.

Author:	SwingcatKurt [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:24 pm ]
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I saw that! And one on the list in PDX isnt even in business anymore!

Author:	timberlea [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:34 pm ]
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Now now guys, they've only been in business for about a week. Be nice. Now Idid notice a couple of four letter orgs in their links. .

Author:	DJ DANGERUS [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:43 pm ]
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They look like a cat without claws...

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Author:	Babs [ Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:25 pm ]
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Wait, I'm confused, Why is "Poop" mentioned at the bottom big as day. Wouldn't they be in competition with each other? or are they the same thing,

Author:	SwingcatKurt [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 am ]
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I have no clue!

Author:	diafel [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:59 am ]
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Babs @ Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:25 pm wrote: Wait, I'm confused, Why is "Poop" mentioned at the bottom big as day. Wouldn't they be in competition with each other? or are they the same thing, I think they are hoping to be an organization that is under the umbrella of "poop". I found this on their site as well: Quote: Currently ORKA is not seeking any membership dues all we ask is the service you provide in the karaoke industry is piracy free. ORKA will provide a certificate with serial # after music library has been certified. ORKA is going to provide this service for free until the end of 2009. Wonder how long that will last? Not sure how many they will get to pay dues in 2010, but I'm guessing not too many.

Author:	atxklown [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:28 am ]
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This could be almost an extortion racket. If you don't join they may have potentail venues hire companies on that list than the freelancers with better equipment.

Author:	homeplateBG [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:55 am ]
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I'm anxious to hear what's happening with the AZ trial. That's either going to lend creedence to this type of fear mongering organziation or it's going to render them pointless. Has anyone e-mailed either POOP or this ORKA? I e-mailed POOP over a month ago with a legitimate membership question and have yet to hear back. Makes me think they don't even talk with anyone unless they pay a due. As far as I'm concerned any organization that professes to help, and doesn't communicate, isn't worth squat. I'd very much like an elaboration of the whole 'library certification' thing. I'm still confused under who's authority they are able to certify anything? The fact that ORKA is offering certification makes me believe they aren't an offshoot of POOP, but a sanctioned branch. Sounds like a business opportunity though. What does a membership require but a shared view? 'Join NARKA - We stand for nothing, if you feel the same, send us $50 and let's join forces.'

Author:	JoeChartreuse [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:02 am ]
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Ok, here's the one and only organization for YOU! J.O.E. , which stands for "Joe's Own Entry" into the org biz.... Yup, I will send you, absolutely free of charge: 1) An autographed picture of ME 2) A Gen-you-ine modern computer generated certificate that says you know me, and I say all of your songs are legal 3) A stick pen with my logo on it Note: A) There will be a small shipping charge of $50- to be received in advance. B) All return addresses will be forwarded to BMI/ASCAP SO JOIN J.O.E.

Author:	SwingcatKurt [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:03 pm ]
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WHERE DO I SIGN UP JOE??????

Author:	seattledrizzle [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:40 pm ]
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It seems like for a certification scheme to work, you would have to be recertified every year or two. After all, what does it mean to have a certified catalog if it was done 10 years ago?

Author:	homeplateBG [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:58 pm ]
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What does certification mean? What does it do? I think what these organizations are trying to do is for a 'karaoke club', then spread the word that this karaoke club is the only way to be protected from nothing. Preying on the ignorance of venue owners and karaoke companies. It's not illegal. POOP states you're protected against suits from it's member manufacturers. So in essence, if someone has pirated karaoke tracks from a manufacturer outside the POOP, they're SOL. I think the real question is - Is POOP colluding to take over the karaoke industry in the US? Collusion is an agreement, usually secretive, which occurs between two or more persons to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage. Either join POOP and use POOP certified tracks, or risk the unknown. Because if you do join POOP and only use POOP certified tracks, you're at least safe from lawsuits from POOP ... or are you? I need a Altoid.

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Author:	jr2423 [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:46 pm ]
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CroakDog @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm wrote: ...Either join POOP and use POOP certified tracks, or risk the unknown. Because if you do join POOP and only use POOP certified tracks, you're at least safe from lawsuits from POOP ... or are you? It's all beginning to sound like just a lot of POOP to me CroakDog @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm wrote: I need a Altoid. Altoid? Heck, all this POOP just gave me a Hemorrhoid

Author:	karaoke koyote [ Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:51 pm ]
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JoeChartreuse @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:02 am wrote: Ok, here's the one and only organization for YOU! J.O.E. , which stands for "Joe's Own Entry" into the org biz.... Yup, I will send you, absolutely free of charge: 1) An autographed picture of ME 2) A Gen-you-ine modern computer generated certificate that says you know me, and I say all of your songs are legal 3) A stick pen with my logo on it Note: A) There will be a small shipping charge of $50- to be received in advance. B) All return addresses will be forwarded to BMI/ASCAP SO JOIN J.O.E. Oh man! I'm in, where do i send the check?

Author:	ripman8 [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:43 am ]
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jr2423 @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:46 pm wrote: CroakDog @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm wrote: ...Either join POOP and use POOP certified tracks, or risk the unknown. Because if you do join POOP and only use POOP certified tracks, you're at least safe from lawsuits from POOP ... or are you? It's all beginning to sound like just a lot of POOP to me CroakDog @ Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:58 pm wrote: I need a Altoid. Altoid? Heck, all this POOP just gave me a Hemorrhoid !

Author:	tovmod [ Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:14 am ]
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Libraries can't really be certified 1. is the library submitted for certification the operator's only library or just his legitimate library 2. how many rigs/libraries does he actually own? 3. are their tracks in his library of discs that are not original? Actually and Theoretically If an organization included and was supported by those involved in DJ'ing and KJ'ing: Every manufacturer Every retailer Every legitimate KJ/DJ It could create an awareness level regarding piracy that doesn't now exist But would that accomplish anything?