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| Author: | guitarslinger [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | vocal eliminators |
hi im new. i manage a talent agency in new york. i sing, play guitar, am a dj and a kj. my heros are bobby darin, eric clapton, dean martin and the beatles. i love old standards and the blues. i was wondering if anyone out there has ever tryed any of the VOCAL ELIMINATORS that are supposed to remove vocals from audio recordings. i understand that they dont work well with MONO recordings, but im curious as to how effective they are in general. any feedback would be appreciated. thanks, danny |
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| Author: | mckyj57 [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: vocal eliminators |
guitarslinger @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:29 pm wrote: hi im new. i manage a talent agency in new york. i sing, play guitar, am a dj and a kj. my heros are bobby darin, eric clapton, dean martin and the beatles. i love old standards and the blues. i was wondering if anyone out there has ever tryed any of the VOCAL ELIMINATORS that are supposed to remove vocals from audio recordings. i understand that they dont work well with MONO recordings, but im curious as to how effective they are in general. any feedback would be appreciated. thanks, danny
This question comes up periodically. The answer is that they are generally unsatisfactory. You can get some halfway-good results on certain songs. Vocals tend to be stereo-imaged in the center. The basic principle, and the reason they don't work on mono songs, is that they look for signals identical in both channels and remove them. So if you find a track imaged in a way that will work well, it will work pretty well. If it isn't at that ideal, it won't work well at all. You'll find claims for an expensive device -- "The Thompson Vocal Eliminator" or somesuch. As far as anyone here knows, they are just claims and not real performance. |
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| Author: | Ronny D. [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: vocal eliminators |
I've tried probably most of the free ones and have bought at least three or four and for the most part they marginally remove any vocals and most remove much of the instruments at about the same rate I found. I did buy an audio editing program that gives me much better results and that is only on some songs just like the ones I aforementioned but I am much more pleased with the results. That one I paid around $90 for it and I am fairly pleased with the results. It allowed me to make several Karaoke songs from my all time favorite singer Gary Stewart for my own personal use at home and also using Karaoke Builder Studio 3.0 suite for the graphics. |
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| Author: | Dr Fred [ Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: vocal eliminators |
My experience is that they sometimes work ok on straightforward stero recordings. Mono does not work at all. If the song is strongly edited in the studio, and effects such as reverb are added to the vocal track then it will fail. For a lot of indie music, they do not conform to the standard arrangement, and vocal removal might remove the drums or guitar as much as the voice. At best it is vocal reduction 10-15 db less for the vocals. That is 90-95% of the sound energy, but we can easily hear sounds reduced by that margin. Vocal removal only really works when you have a strong singer who is going to drown out the residual vocals. |
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