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http://www.salon.com/books/int/2008/12/18/karaoke/


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I'm about a quarter through the author's book. Very good perspective on how karaoke caught on in America as well as some insight into what drives the enthusiasm in some to pursue it. Should be a must-read for every singer and KJ!

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Thanks for the post. I'm going to check it out. :D

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Well, I'm not intrigued enough to be even a little curious about what's in the book.

I did find it interesting that the article refers to karaoke as an art form and then affirms, "Yes, it is an art form" without so much of hint as to why.

Remember we had a thread on that very question? So, those who believe it IS an art form have some "authoritative" material to support your position!


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tovmod @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:59 am wrote:
So, those who believe it IS an art form have some "authoritative" material to support your position!

:roll: I don't need a book to support my claim. :roll:

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tovmod @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:59 pm wrote:
Well, I'm not intrigued enough to be even a little curious about what's in the book.

I did find it interesting that the article refers to karaoke as an art form and then affirms, "Yes, it is an art form" without so much of hint as to why.

Remember we had a thread on that very question? So, those who believe it IS an art form have some "authoritative" material to support your position!


art ? I agree its a viable form of entertainment and a means to express one self through song ...maybe it is ART


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Read it...

Most of it is okay...

There's a little "sanitizing" going on and some bias and inaccurate stuff but that's to be expected when the author doesn't have enough information from different sources.


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tovmod @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:59 am wrote:
So, those who believe it IS an art form have some "authoritative" material to support your position!


c. staley @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:54 pm wrote:
Read it...

Most of it is okay...

There's a little "sanitizing" going on and some bias and inaccurate stuff but that's to be expected when the author doesn't have enough information from different sources.

Oh, well, maybe the book isn't an authoritative source of anything, afterall


jamkaraoke @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:04 pm wrote:
art ? I agree its a viable form of entertainment and a means to express one self through song ...maybe it is ART


Lonman @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:33 am wrote:
:roll: I don't need a book to support my claim. :roll:


Yea, who needs books?


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I don't know art, but i like his wife.. :angel:


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jdmeister @ Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:15 pm wrote:
I don't know art, but i like his wife.. :angel:


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Yep, definitely never was, never will be art! I'll have to go without a book because the most authoritative reference seems to be lacking in authority!

Oh, and do not mess with Art's wife! It's one of the commandments!


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Music is clearly considered an art form. Karaoke is an assisted form of music. Just like a sculptor may use power tools or a live band may use a drum machine. Or whatever technology makes making art a little easier. The use of modern tools does not prevent it from being art.

However of course the art from is differeent depending on the tools used. If someone made a karaoke song by writing it himself, and creating the backing tracks, then it would clearly be art when performed. Of course it is a bit less origional when someone uses someone else's tracks. Just like a cover band is less of an origional artist, but still an artist.

For karaoke the question is clearly if it is good art or not. Many times not but sometimes yes.


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Last time I checked singing was considered an art and karaoke is just singing along with a backing track.

But if singing isn't an art, then why should playing an instrument be an art? If you play a guitar with a backing track does that make the playing of the guitar less an art?

Or perhaps playing an instrument isn't an art, then why should composing music to be played on instruments be considered an art? Why should opera be an art? Why should a symphony be an art? Or perhaps music just shouldn't be an art?

Or maybe you just don't consider anything an art unless it's done to a certain standard of excellencel??? Well then, are grade school students really taking art classes at school then or is it not an art class if they don't perform to a certain standard?

Where do you draw the line?


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A man with no arms and legs on a canvas...THAT'S ART!

A man with no arms and legs at your doorstep..THAT'S MATT!

A lady with one leg...THAT'S EILEEN!

Karaoke is more of an artisitic trainwreck if you ask me... :mrgreen:


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"Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions".

So, as the adage says about beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder, karaoke is in the ear of the listener. And to my "ear", karaoke usually misses the mark as art, but is often entertaining. And to my mind it is entertaining at times when it is artful, and at other times when it is artless!

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Last time I checked singing was considered an art and karaoke is just singing along with a backing track.


Playing the clarinet proficiently is also considered an art! Might you feel the same as you stated above about karaoke singing, after listening to a 5 year old who can't quite read music yet, and knows 4 notes, playing a song on the clarinet?


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tovmod @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:09 pm wrote:
"Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions".

So, as the adage says about beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder, karaoke is in the ear of the listener. And to my "ear", karaoke usually misses the mark as art, but is often entertaining. And to my mind it is entertaining at times when it is artful, and at other times when it is artless!

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Karaoke is entertaining because it touches your emotions. Entertainment is an emotional response. Now it may not be a thing of beauty, some art is aiming for beauty others are not even intended to be. Marylin Manson or Insane clown possie may never be considered a thing of beauty but they can touch our emotions. Not all art has to beautiful or pleasing. Some art is just the oposite by its total non-beauty it has a beauty of its own.


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Man the way some of you all describe karaoke (trainwreck, bad art, etc.) it makes me wonder why you decided to get into it in the first place?

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Lonman @ Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:05 am wrote:
Man the way some of you all describe karaoke (trainwreck, bad art, etc.) it makes me wonder why you decided to get into it in the first place?


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Why would observing or listening to a train-wreck be so much fun?


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Becuase at ONE TIME a DJ/KJ could be WELL PAID. Thats why.

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