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Author:  SM [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
I want to know how could I record vocals onto my pc such that over my headphones I can get reverb and compression but the recording is done without any effects. I want to to do this because while singing I find I can give a better rendition if I can hear my own voice with full reverb over the headphones but the reverb is often too high when I hear the recording. If I lower the reverb while singing then my singing isn't that good!! Might sound strange to you but that's the way it is.

I have a Yamaha mg82cx mixer. Can I chieve the above using this mixer or do i need diff equipment. What I am doing now is connecting my mic to the mixer, applying compression and reverb and sending the output using the record out rca jacks on the mixer to my pc where the backing tracks are playing on Adobe Audtion.

Apologies if that was way too complicated and convoluted way of asking a simple question but i am a singer who is very new to recording. Thanks for your help.
Author:  letitrip [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
Cannot be done with that mixer. Honestly, there would be no good way to have compression on the on the channel in the main mix and not on the recording on any mixer. The compression is applied very early in the channel strip (whether you're using the onboard compression or an outboard unit through the insert). It comes before any aux sends or other buses. The effects could be eliminated if you had a board with subgroups and a straight main mix assignment (the older 16 channel and up MG series had this for instance). But with what you've got, there'd be no way that I can see to eliminate either one on the recording.
Author:  toqer [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:09 pm ]
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He could just not use the onboard effects, and go with software effects right? Then change the amount of reverb in post production.

Essentially reducing the mg82cx to a mic pre-amp I guess.
Author:  SM [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
That's an interesting and simple suggestion. I know Adobe Audition has real time reverb plugin, don't know if that's as good as the Yamaha on board effect. However, Adobe audition v1.5 does not have real time compression; so what I could do is to use th mixer as a mic pre amp alongwith compression only and apply real time reverb through software. This way i cannot change compression after recording but i will be able to change the reverb effect. Thanks for your advice. will let you know if I can make this work.

Thanks
Author:  karyoker [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
You can feed the mic insert to channel 1 of CEP. I actually do this witha CFX12 out of the DX266XL compressorI assume you are mixing with the imported background from the music file source. In that instance you might have to delay either one to sync. The mono vocal is dropped down into stereo tracks which then can be applied with the desired EFX. Apply EFX to all tracks as necessary. The entire mix can then be rerouted thru the mixer and analogue EFX applied if desired.

It is a matter of trial and error but live recording with full EFX applied for the room acoustics is impossible. Remember to track the vocals at -3 to -6DB. Then normalise during mixing.
Author:  SM [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
Sorry did not understand you fully. Yes I am mixing the vocal with with a stereo karaoke track imported into Adobe Audition.

What's CEP. Is the output of the CEP connected to the PC? so are the connections like this:

mic to mixer, mic insert on mixer to CEP, CEP to computer, computer to mixer, mixer (phones) to headphones. In the above since I am rerouting the mix from audition to my mixer I cannot connect mixer record out to pc as then the music track will be rcorded as well. So i don't fully understand. Apologies but could you pl explain.
Author:  karyoker [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
Adobe auditon used to be Cool Edit Pro or CEP.. I have never really used it but tried it a litttle to get aquanited with it somewhat.
Author:  karyoker [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
The vocals are tracked (recorded) in mono. Out of the insert is a single mono of the mic input. The music is only fed to the PA and not recorded. On a recording mixer the music channels have sends so you can track without EFX. The only gain control is the pre input. I forgot to look in the manual if that mixer has that adjustment by I assume it does.
Author:  SM [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
ok I get it. I did not know that you could connect the mic insert directly to the pc line in.
Author:  karyoker [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
Yea like I say the preamp adjust is really setting the record level. The strip ouput is adjusted back to unity. The levels are critical thats why I like to use the output of a compressor. The muscic is already compressed after shifting to a MP3.
Author:  jeffsw6 [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Recording and monitoring vocals with different settings
I am not familiar with that mixer, but if you have an extra AUX bus, you could record to that and split your vocal channel using a Y cable so you have separate control of compression and EQ for the vocal send to the recording bus.
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