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Author:  enzoab [ Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
So I tried out my system today, outdoors, not a KJ event, just playing music. My rig is currently:

Mackie Pro FX mixer : http://www.mackie.com/products/profx12/

Two Technical Pro 300 watt amps, one for left and one for right.

Peavey PR 15

Played off a lap top and hard drive.

Inside this thing rocks, tight bass, full range control, way loud. I’m adding a dbx 266XL compressor for karaoke.

At issue is; I have to push these PR 15’s pretty hard to deliver that “indoor” bass response when outdoors and I have a very bad shoulder so I have to keep things as light as I can

While the sound and bass are great, inside, I have a few outdoor KJ gigs to do, the first one is this Saturday with a few to follow over the next 2 months.

What options do I have for a powered sub and can I get one in the 40 pound (or lighter?) range? I have no experience with sub woofers except in home theater.

Lastly, since there’s no sub out and sub channel on the Mackie, what’s the best way to send the signal to the sub?

Any other input regarding this indoor - outdoor sound situation would be greatly appreciated.

Thx folks,

Mark
Author:  RLC [ Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
enzoab @ Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:32 pm wrote:
What options do I have for a powered sub and can I get one in the 40 pound (or lighter?) range? I have no experience with sub woofers except in home theater.


Here is one option.

http://www.directproaudio.com/product.c ... ctid=53688

Never actually heard one but they are rated fairly high- actually rated very high for that size and weight class.
Author:  enzoab [ Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
RLC @ Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:21 pm wrote:
enzoab @ Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:32 pm wrote:
What options do I have for a powered sub and can I get one in the 40 pound (or lighter?) range? I have no experience with sub woofers except in home theater.


Here is one option.

http://www.directproaudio.com/product.c ... ctid=53688

Never actually heard one but they are rated fairly high- actually rated very high for that size and weight class.


Interesting. Thx very much.
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
You have to figure outdoor shows are going to require alot more power as a rule to get the same perceived volume levels as those from an indoor show. I've done some outdoor shows in large backyards where I had 2 dual 15" cabinets & 2 single 18" subs with 3000 watts total & it almost didn't cut it.
Author:  jeffsw6 [ Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
Indeed, my biggest one last season was on a one-acre back yard, and 2 MRX525 over 2 SRX728 with 6kw power was just enough for the crowd, which was smaller than expected. I would like to have had twice as much PA and more electricity to go with it.
Author:  enzoab [ Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
jeffsw6 @ Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:33 pm wrote:
Indeed, my biggest one last season was on a one-acre back yard, and 2 MRX525 over 2 SRX728 with 6kw power was just enough for the crowd, which was smaller than expected. I would like to have had twice as much PA and more electricity to go with it.


I guess I'll be handing those larger gigs off to yopu guys... ! :)

I've been updating the system over the last two weeks. Gone is all the middle of the road, or maybe alley way equipment and now I have:

The Mackie FX Pro Mixer
dbx 266 XL compressor
Crown Xti 2000
Peavey PR15
JBL EON518S - I paid $600.00 for the unit. I just can't move around a sub weighing in at 70 plus pounds.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pr ... sku=500919

Two Vocopro drunk mics and a set of AKG W40's.

Still a very small foot print, pretty light weight (amp is housed in it's own flight case). I set up and break down solo so, it's gotta be pretty small, light weight and not a bank buster.

What do you guys think of this rig?

Mark
Author:  jeffsw6 [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
I am not a fan of the PRX518S subwoofer, but if weight is a big concern, there are few, if any, good subwoofers under 70 pounds.

You can always hire a local sound contrator or rent more / bigger PA if you have a few gigs every year that are too big for the equipment you own, or want to own. There is little sense in owning speakers you only use 5 times a year.

If you find yourself getting a lot of bigger jobs, you might consider hiring a helper for the day. When I do private parties, weddings, etc. I always hire one or two helpers. I charge a lot more for those events and I can afford to pay them, so I would rather focus on the customers than bust my butt unloading the trailer.

When I do a band job, I either require the band help load/unload, or I charge enough that I can have a stagehand who also helps with the heavy stuff. About 2000 pounds of stuff comes out for those jobs, so while I can do it by myself if I really have to, it takes me an hour to get everything done by myself, and I'm wore out after I do it. And then loading it all back up after the gig, well, that sucks. :)
Author:  jamkaraoke [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
I agree --if you think you are going to land a lot of OUTDOOR large gigs you may have to rethink your entire setup. But if its just an occasional and maybe thing..charge more and rent help and equipment.
Author:  letitrip [ Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
I've had a few gigs where I've had to rent additional equipment, I just pass it along to the client and I usually put the charge right there in the contract as an addendum. I played a local fair one year with a Karaoke contest in a 80' x 250' Tent (self proclaimed world's largest beer tent). I ended up renting 4 Dual 18 Boxes, 4 Bi-amped full range cabinets and used my club PA as delay towers about 2/3's of the way back. The client paid for all the rental + my fee.

Don't count yourself out of any type of gig because of equipment, you should be able to rent just about anything you would need if you look hard enough.
Author:  ripman8 [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
enzoab @ Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:02 pm wrote:
jeffsw6 @ Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:33 pm wrote:
Indeed, my biggest one last season was on a one-acre back yard, and 2 MRX525 over 2 SRX728 with 6kw power was just enough for the crowd, which was smaller than expected. I would like to have had twice as much PA and more electricity to go with it.


I guess I'll be handing those larger gigs off to yopu guys... ! :)

I've been updating the system over the last two weeks. Gone is all the middle of the road, or maybe alley way equipment and now I have:

The Mackie FX Pro Mixer
dbx 266 XL compressor
Crown Xti 2000
Peavey PR15
JBL EON518S - I paid $600.00 for the unit. I just can't move around a sub weighing in at 70 plus pounds.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pr ... sku=500919

Two Vocopro drunk mics and a set of AKG W40's.

Still a very small foot print, pretty light weight (amp is housed in it's own flight case). I set up and break down solo so, it's gotta be pretty small, light weight and not a bank buster.

What do you guys think of this rig?

Mark


65 lbs, pretty close to 70. In my case I opted for a 70 lb sub that gives me 700 wat6ts continuous for $550. I just use a 2 wheeler to move it, if I have steps, I get help.
Author:  enzoab [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
ripman8 @ Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:18 pm wrote:
enzoab @ Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:02 pm wrote:
jeffsw6 @ Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:33 pm wrote:
Indeed, my biggest one last season was on a one-acre back yard, and 2 MRX525 over 2 SRX728 with 6kw power was just enough for the crowd, which was smaller than expected. I would like to have had twice as much PA and more electricity to go with it.


I guess I'll be handing those larger gigs off to yopu guys... ! :)

I've been updating the system over the last two weeks. Gone is all the middle of the road, or maybe alley way equipment and now I have:

The Mackie FX Pro Mixer
dbx 266 XL compressor
Crown Xti 2000
Peavey PR15
JBL EON518S - I paid $600.00 for the unit. I just can't move around a sub weighing in at 70 plus pounds.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pr ... sku=500919

Two Vocopro drunk mics and a set of AKG W40's.

Still a very small foot print, pretty light weight (amp is housed in it's own flight case). I set up and break down solo so, it's gotta be pretty small, light weight and not a bank buster.

What do you guys think of this rig?

Mark


65 lbs, pretty close to 70. In my case I opted for a 70 lb sub that gives me 700 wat6ts continuous for $550. I just use a 2 wheeler to move it, if I have steps, I get help.


That's what I thought too? That's the shipping weight. The unit comes in at least 20 pounds under that. Double card board box, heavy box.

Mark
Author:  ripman8 [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
So 45 lbs. Pretty light for a sub. Hopefully it will give you the thump you want for the price and size. Good luck.
Author:  enzoab [ Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Inside sound, outside sound and a sub woofer....
ripman8 @ Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:24 pm wrote:
So 45 lbs. Pretty light for a sub. Hopefully it will give you the thump you want for the price and size. Good luck.


In the house it's way too much, which is a nice option. I'll be tring it out in the morning. Thx.

Mark
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