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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:57 pm 
Hi,

Is there a program on the market that will allow you to load up a CD+G and edit it while keeping the same basic CD+G intact? By this I mean, maybe I wanna change the music speed, or change the key, or take out or add another verse, etc.

Something like Vegas for editing video; where you can add video, audio, edit, etc.

Many times I just want to take out the soloing part of the tune so people don't have to seat through those while we stare at each other. But mostly I want to speed and key change it, save it out, and then not have to mess about with it in the future.

I've bought CD+G Creator Pro and that sort of does what I want but of course you have to re create the +G part and I've had issues and bugs with the program in general.

Oh, is their a forum to get help tweaking that CD+G Creator Pro program? I need some tutoring to help me out as well.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:02 pm 
Oh, I have looked into their forum and it kinda sucks, not many users. Maybe this program isn't used much? Late night impulse buy.....


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enzoab, we have thousands of customers, and on forum you only see few of those that are having problems. I do not think you will find any better CD+G authoring software, especially feature-wise. But my opinion is biased of course.

Regarding key and speed change -- Karaoke Sound Tools do that.

And as of editing -- there is CDG Edit software, but using it to something more advanced than fixing graphics artifacts may be exhausting.


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Unfortunately you aren't going to find a "word processor like" editor. The graphics file of an MP3+G is not something you can easily edit like a word document, it is a synchronized graphics file.

In your case, it would be easier/faster to edit out the solo from the audio and re-do the entire graphic file then try to edit pixel-by-pixel.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:40 am 
powerkaraoke @ Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:29 am wrote:
enzoab, we have thousands of customers, and on forum you only see few of those that are having problems. I do not think you will find any better CD+G authoring software, especially feature-wise. But my opinion is biased of course.

Regarding key and speed change -- Karaoke Sound Tools do that.

And as of editing -- there is CDG Edit software, but using it to something more advanced than fixing graphics artifacts may be exhausting.


Thx PK and Bazza, I'll spend some more time with the program and I'll try my hand at starting from scratch.


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There is no software that I know of that will do what you want even assuming that we are talking about playing the files from a computer and not a disk. Key changers suck largely because they don't deal with sound (analog) but a mathematical representation of sound (digital). This is not a full and accurate representation but rather a scetchy one. If you just want to take out a section of the graphics file that could be done assuming that you cut one end where the screen is one color and cut the other end at a point where the screen is one color.

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powerkaraoke @ Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:29 am wrote:
And as of editing -- there is CDG Edit software, but using it to something more advanced than fixing graphics artifacts may be exhausting.

So that is your goal, to create a CDG edit program that can actually change words..... :twisted: I know i'd buy it. I have a ton of songs I cannot list in my club due to language restrictions that I can edit with a substitue word and relist in the books.

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Lonman @ Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:52 am wrote:
powerkaraoke @ Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:29 am wrote:
And as of editing -- there is CDG Edit software, but using it to something more advanced than fixing graphics artifacts may be exhausting.

So that is your goal, to create a CDG edit program that can actually change words..... :twisted: I know i'd buy it. I have a ton of songs I cannot list in my club due to language restrictions that I can edit with a substitue word and relist in the books.

A SINGLE word to be replaced by another SINGLE word of the same size or smaller. Could be done I think, within limits, yep could be done.

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exweedfarmer @ Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:08 pm wrote:
A SINGLE word to be replaced by another SINGLE word of the same size or smaller. Could be done I think, within limits, yep could be done.


Except they aren't words, they are graphics in the shape of words. Every manufactures graphics are different. Heck even different series by the same manus are different. There are no fonts or standards, they are essentially artwork. How would the program find the "word" you want to replace?

It would be like trying to write a program to edit the names on the back of football players jerseys during Monday Night Football. They are just words right? How hard could it be? :lol:

Could it be done? Sure given enough money/resources. Would it be practical and faster than just doing it again from scratch? Probably not.


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I would think there would be some way to have the song playing and you could use something like a select tool to highlight/circle the word and put in a new word that can be saved as the new cdg file. I'm not a programmer, just seems like there should be an easy way.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:35 am 
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If you're familiar with "Captcha" then you'll know that the latest forum registration bots are quite capable of reading an image, then typing the text into the required field, even when the characters are deformed or have lines/noise through them.
This technology could be used here for something more productive.


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There is software out there than can change a word or a letter but you can't replace a 4 letter word with an 8 letter word unless you made the word seem to printed in a much smaller font....unless the word was at the end of a line of text with nothing after it and enough room for the extra letters. This is a PIXEL by PIXEL process and very time consuming from what I hear.

There was a song that came out last year where Chartbuster misspelled the word CLOUD as CLOWD. I asked one of the CDG FIX experts if he could fix it for me and he had it back to me in less than 15 minutes ....but that was only one letter that needed to be "fixed".

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Which is why I think it's time to stop using CDG, but, we already did that thread. Never say never. I might come up with something yet. Brucefan is right, can't replace it with a much longer word.

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I had a program that you could record the CD on a hard drive, type your graphs and use the space bar to sync them. The HD the program was on crashed and I haven't been able to remember the name or find another program like it. It worked good.


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jlmer @ Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:57 am wrote:
I had a program that you could record the CD on a hard drive, type your graphs and use the space bar to sync them. The HD the program was on crashed and I haven't been able to remember the name or find another program like it. It worked good.

There are plenty of karaoke builder programs to do it from scratch, i'm talking an editor program to be able to change out a word or 2 on exisiting cdg files.

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