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Author:  mule1rider [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:19 am ]
Post subject:  Where are these 50,000 karaoke songs?
I've been buying karaoke discs since the mid 90's, I have over 10,000 songs (including the dk set) of which about 2500 are duplicates. I've been keeping up with the pop and country hits since I started and have a pretty complete set. When I look on Craigslist under karaoke I find hosts claiming hard drives with 50,000 songs on them. Are there really 50,000 different songs available for karaoke? I've never seen that many in a song book at the shows I've gone to. What's the story on all those songs? Where do I find them?
Author:  TopherM [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:13 am ]
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My songbook database lists 401,769 karaoke tracks that have ever been made. This database represents about 98-99% of all karaoke ever made in the English language. Lots of these are duplicates, of course, made by different manufacturers.

When the pirates advertise 50,000 or 100,000 or 401,769 tracks, they are certainly not talking about having that many UNIQUE songs. They have that many when you count duplicates.

I personally have a little over 1100 discs that equate to about 17,000 songs that comes out to about 12,500 once I take out duplicates, and I know that if I go to any site that sell karaoke discs, I only have a small fraction of what's out there for sale.
Author:  mule1rider [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:28 am ]
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How do you determine which new songs to purchase? I hate buying duplicates. For several years now I've limited most of my purchases to the Chartbuster yearly updates. I still cherry pick a few disks but those purchases are infrequent now
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Author:  TopherM [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:19 am ]
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When I first had a steady gig and started to make some money, I bought every karaoke disc I could get my hands on.

What I found, however, is that people will sing the hits on the radio while they are getting heavy radio airplay, but then forget about them and never sing them again once they are off the charts.

For that reason, I really think that the monthly top hit updates are a waste of money.

If you look in my CompuHost history stats, the top 50 songs sang at my venue, which is mostly 21-30 year olds, are primarily classics, not newer songs.

Anyway, for those reasons, I only buy the yearly or bi-yearly updates. I used to spend $800-1000 a year on CDGs, now I only spend about $150-200 a year and end up with practically every song that has any sort of staying power.

Plus, no more duplicates :)
Author:  DannyG2006 [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:37 am ]
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A friend from another forum took the list from KJPro and eliminated duplicates and came up with approximately 39,000 unique songs.
Author:  mrscott [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:00 am ]
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DannyG2006 @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:37 am wrote:
A friend from another forum took the list from KJPro and eliminated duplicates and came up with approximately 39,000 unique songs.


That's about the total that I have heard is actually available for unique songs. So, the rest are dupes.
Author:  Kuelman1 [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:03 am ]
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If you look in my CompuHost history stats, the top 50 songs sang at my venue, which is mostly 21-30 year olds, are primarily classics, not newer songs.


Your right on the money about that. I have so many younger adults come in and they mostly sing classic songs. Oh yea you do get some people singing the newer songs but like you said once the radio airplay subsides so do a lot of the requests. Now I only buy disc's that people have requested to sing. Saves me a lot of money buying disc's that never get requested.
Author:  purpletib [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:27 am ]
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I'd still like to see where the 39,000 unique tracks can be found. I recently broke 22,000, spending more than I care to on adding new tracks, and am starting to find it hard to come up with tracks I don't have. I am willing to bet a large number of those 39k are no longer available. Otherwise, it wouldn't seem so difficult to come up with new stuff. I occasionally find an artist I need to add about ten songs for, but it doesn't happen too often.
Author:  Karen K [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:39 am ]
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I just de-duped, have about 11,000 songs in my book. It is rare for someone to come in and sing at one of my shows and not find the song they want. I used to order requested songs without hesitation; as I was de-duping my book I realized that even those songs that are requested DO get sung but minimally. I also find that if someone requests a song and I forget to order it, they seldom follow up and ask me if I ordered their song.

The exception is if a singer really loves and artist and does them justice when they sing songs by that artist; I will order those singers all the tracks I can get for that artist. For example, right now Florence and the Machine, and Adele are in heavy rotation at my shows by some wonderful young female artists. Bruno Mars is moving up quickly and a few songs by the BEPs. However, all in all my days of ordering willy-nilly are over now. I have also been purchasing music since the early to mid '90s and ended up with a great looking book, of which less than 30% of the songs are sung. Doesn't make economic sense for sure.

Crazy to spend money on songs that don't get sung -- years ago we had no choice. Now buying single tracks is the only way, pretty well, that I'll buy music, and then predominantly by request.
Author:  purpletib [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:46 am ]
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Karen, I'm starting to feel the same way. I spend about 2 grand each year on new music, and have about topped out what I want to spend, but will keep adding all the pop hits monthly and annual chartbuster sets hoping that will suffice, because so few of the songs I add diligently ever get sung. For a while I was obsessed with getting everything I could find. Now it seems like a lot of money spent for nothing, since most of it will never be sung.
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:46 am ]
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DannyG2006 @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:37 am wrote:
A friend from another forum took the list from KJPro and eliminated duplicates and came up with approximately 39,000 unique songs.
There are probably closer to 50K songs if you count all the over seas manus that are not listed in the canned databases. And if you want to get into all the foreign language songs, could push it well over double, possibly triple that figure (for individual song titles).
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:51 am ]
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mule1rider @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:28 am wrote:
How do you determine which new songs to purchase? I hate buying duplicates. For several years now I've limited most of my purchases to the Chartbuster yearly updates. I still cherry pick a few disks but those purchases are infrequent now
.

I have about 900 cdg's with a little over 12,000 individual song titles. 14K with dups. I always tried to carefully select the discs to make sure I wasn't buying a ton of dups - most of the dups that I do have were bought from people that were selling me their used discs cheap or sets, that I bought off of other kj's.
I do subscribe to the Chartbuster monthlies and they do get sung quite a bit now. Otherwise I only buy custom discs with the songs people ask me to get for them. I have a clipboard that they can put down their requests & contact info (email/facebook/etc). Then search for sites that have the songs in question and pick them up. 9 out of 10 times they get sung at least by the requestor, but many songs do get used by others as well frequently. Rarely do I just buy a disc anymore unless it's for something that I absolutely need & cannot find anywhere else.
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:57 am ]
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TopherM @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:19 am wrote:
When I first had a steady gig and started to make some money, I bought every karaoke disc I could get my hands on.

What I found, however, is that people will sing the hits on the radio while they are getting heavy radio airplay, but then forget about them and never sing them again once they are off the charts.

For that reason, I really think that the monthly top hit updates are a waste of money.

If you look in my CompuHost history stats, the top 50 songs sang at my venue, which is mostly 21-30 year olds, are primarily classics, not newer songs.
I agree for the most part. But figure at the very least with the CB monthlies, ot's only $35 a month for a new pop/rock & Country disc is a small price to pay to have a few current songs. Plus the songs actually do get sung at our shows more often than they used to years ago (avg age 20's-30's as well). Most of them do stick with the 90's and early 2000 songs overall. But it does give me the edge over some of the competitors that don't update anything - or update rarely.
Author:  mule1rider [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:01 pm ]
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The last two shows I did had one new artist that got a lot of play and that artist was Zac Brown. I'm currently struggling with a duplicate problem myself. The second half of Chartbusters 2009 country and pop hit have 50 songs each on them. I have 15 songs from each set already in my book. I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to purchase the 50 song set for 35 songs.
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:08 pm ]
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Karen K @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:39 pm wrote:
I used to order requested songs without hesitation; as I was de-duping my book I realized that even those songs that are requested DO get sung but minimally. I also find that if someone requests a song and I forget to order it, they seldom follow up and ask me if I ordered their song.
I have a database created specifically for requested songs. Dated and requested by who along with contact info. I have some song requests dated back from 96, this was back before custom discs & buying an entire disc for 1 song didn't make a whole lot of sense. Talk about throwing money away. But some of the people that request a song actually forget that they really wanted that song. It may have been a revelation moment of clarity & they happened to remember the title at that particular moment they asked, then forgot the next week which is most likely why they never really bring it up again. On my database I will automatically pick up a song if more than 1 person has asked for it (provided it's available). Or if I see that the same person has asked for it more than once over time. Otherwise it's always a crapshoot when buying new music - whether they will get done or not, however I still would prefer to get songs that our singers actually have asked for, over a disc of songs that have never had any interest in the first place or for 1 song, etc.
When I get a requested song, I will email/facebook them. They will usually do it when it comes in. And now with being able to store the songs in their singer database, I will throw it in for them every once in a while just because! :twisted: You requested it, you WILL sing it......lol!
Author:  purpletib [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:18 pm ]
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It still kinda bugs me though, if there are 50,000 tracks out there I am less than halfway. It should be EASY to find tracks I don't have, lol. There is so much stuff that I get requests for that doesn't seem to be made or can't be found anywhere.
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:21 pm ]
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mule1rider @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:01 pm wrote:
The last two shows I did had one new artist that got a lot of play and that artist was Zac Brown. I'm currently struggling with a duplicate problem myself. The second half of Chartbusters 2009 country and pop hit have 50 songs each on them. I have 15 songs from each set already in my book. I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to purchase the 50 song set for 35 songs.
Would be cheaper than buying the 35 songs on custom discs through them.
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:23 pm ]
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purpletib @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:18 pm wrote:
It still kinda bugs me though, if there are 50,000 tracks out there I am less than halfway. It should be EASY to find tracks I don't have, lol. There is so much stuff that I get requests for that doesn't seem to be made or can't be found anywhere.

Problem is MANY tracks are not longer available due to manufacturers losing licensing, manu's going out of business, etc. The databases list included everything that has been made because they are also songbook makers and would need to have that info included for those who do have those OOP discs. So finding songs aren't always easy when you know it has been made.
Author:  mule1rider [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:44 pm ]
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Lon does Chartbuster have a site for custom song discs? I'm a little miffed at CB right now. One of the discs on from their 2010 country set was bad. I called them and per their instructions emailed them my receipt for the set. I wanted a replacement. Once they saw what I paid for the set they were no longer willing to send me a disc without my first mailing in my old disc. These music companies are hopelessly mired in the 60's in their thinking about music media. They are still fighting internet transfers. Am I wrong on this?

Rick
Author:  Lonman [ Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where are these 50,000 karaoke songs?
mule1rider @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:44 pm wrote:
Lon does Chartbuster have a site for custom song discs? I'm a little miffed at CB right now. One of the discs on from their 2010 country set was bad. I called them and per their instructions emailed them my receipt for the set. I wanted a replacement. Once they saw what I paid for the set they were no longer willing to send me a disc without my first mailing in my old disc. These music companies are hopelessly mired in the 60's in their thinking about music media. They are still fighting internet transfers. Am I wrong on this?

Rick

CB does have a custom site.
http://www.chartbusterkaraoke.com/custom-karaoke-albums

Their replacement policy has always been send the original & they'll replace it. SC is the same policy - except theirs is provided it's still in production. At least they do offer the guarantee's. Not many manus do that at all.
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