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OK, so I spend some real time listening to various people's songs. How in the name of the good lord can some people get a 10, or wonderful, or a you're the best I am convinced that a lot of the vocalists here who got a 10 are gloating and telling grandma how good they are.

Granted, there are some real real good voices out there, and I wish I could name them, but alas..........I would probably be kicked out of the class by some members (they know who they are)

People, there is a big bias around here. Looking at the scores you see this click of vocalists kissing up to each other. Can you please be honest when ranking songs?? There are vocalists out there that are honestly asking your opinion, counting on the truth and what do they get???

All the hype you give your friends is not fair to the people who really try to get somewhere in life.

Should I submit a song and I get a 6 or 7 I would be happier then getting a 10. At least I know I do not deserve a 10, otherwise I'd be making a living singing.

OK so you have said your peace! I give a ten when I think THE PERSON SINGING DID THE BEST THEY HAD IN THEM as well how the song was mixed .. I AM NOT A Pro singer I Own A Cleaning Company. I'M Just singing for fun and so are most everybody on this site do you get that?

Allstar,

Here's my deal for you.. All BS and crap aside.

You want brutal honesty from this showcase.

Record and submit your 5 songs.. do your best work and take your time doing it..

Are you still with me?

Do not provide feedback of any sort untill 48 hours after the 5th song has been posted.

And do not score anybody's songs until that same period has passed. and then when that period has passed be a gentleman about any scores that have been posted and accept them as for what they are.

As all scoring is only an opinion. This is for fun and NOT a competition.

Most of really don't care about scores or professional quality.

Let me know when you decide to do this.

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Please see (and I quote) some of my replies in the singers showcase. You will note that I give a lot of helpful comments as to what they can do to improve (as Sheraokee mentioned)

Another thing you might see, is that when I give my comments, people do not reply in an offended way, for the simpe reason that I am not replying to offend them, but to give some constructive advice.












Joe
I agree with you, most of us sing for fun, but most of us also want to get constructive advice, and not be raised to some godly level if we know for a fact we can improve. What we want to hear is where we can improve.


Sheraokee

Please read my posts in the singers forum. I am starting to feel like Simon Cowell from American Idol. Hated because he speaks the truth.

BeachHeadBum
I will take you up on your offer and will let you know when my songs are up, but you know what, you're gonna be disappointed. If I get a 5 or 6 and people give constructive advice or tell me where I go wrong, I'll be a very happy puppy. So your idea of throwing out this challenge, just to make me look stupid is not going to work you see, I cannot sing and never claimed that I could. I love karaoke and host every weekend but don't make any claims to fame.

This coming from you just doesn't sound right you know.
You can never stop talking about $800 mics, how good your equipment is, how many bla bla bla...............I can go on and on about your "good" stuff and every body else crappy, low end stuff.

I must say though, I listened to your mix again, and am impressed. I wish I could have heard the original. You and I might not be on the same level, but I still appreciate a good quality mix.

Allstar
I'm not trying to make you look "Stupid" as you put it.. all i'm saying is give us a fair chance and to prove to you this is NOT a competition or a "Click" as you put it. If you want an honest and fair rating you will get one. I believe you can get one here.. But I will say this there only a few that are qualified to give you that. I'm only qualified in audio/sound quality. but have the diagnostics to detect vocals. but I promise not to rip ya on your singing. I'll be fair with your music.

What's in the past... Is in the past Allstar.

Put them up.. I'd love to hear what ya can do.

I can appreciate a compliment coming from you too. Thank you.

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Brian D.
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you know what allstar you are right sorry about not first understanding where you were coming from and I listened to your sub you have a nice voice stop saying I cann't sing because you can!

Sheraokee

AllStar




Please don't think I was attacking you personally... I was just giving my opinion on the topic at hand..... I have not been around here much lately so I have never even seen you or any comments you have made. My comment was simply my "honest" feeling on the topic!

Hello all of you wonderful people:
Let me hurry up to see if I can get a littlle of Sher's magical dust of wisdom
Here's something to ponder:
As human beings we are naturally open to challenges and a system with scores or ranks, does exactly that. It sets us up into competitive mode. We may try to deny it but to a certain extent is always there. If not, there would be no confrontations like this one which keep appearing so very often. To me it all comes down to HONESTY. Please, be
Your friend, Tonmay

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I'm offering my 2 cents again. I think honesty here is very important. Some of us do not know if we are good singers, or bad singers, or just so-so singers. We are trying to get the opinions of unbiased others who do not know us personally, because we are in a state of limbo thinking "Do I really sound okay, am I as good as my mom & husband say I am, or are they just being good mothers & husbands?"
I thought coming on here I would get some comments that would make me understand what outsiders really think of my vocals. Now, I know some are honest, and when some don't comment I realize maybe it's because they don't want to criticize. And that I understand, because I have a problem criticizing others also. I would rather someone left off commenting at all as to lie to be polite.
But, I would rather any kind of honest comment as to nothing. If it's bad I would like to know why: Doesn't fit my vocals, out of my range, too pitchy, etc. That way, I can fix it. (or not sing it again, as needs be)
I do not really care for, or put too much faith in, the ratings here.
I have 10's across the board here, and I do not feel deserving. And alot of others may not feel I deserve them. It's a nice thought, but not really likely.
So, I guess I'm just saying that I would prefer total honesty. Again, I don't give a hoot nor holler about my ratings, but I do read each & every comment about my subs, and try to take them to heart.
And I think this is true for everone here.
I mean, as much time as we all spend here- I think we all are honestly seeking opinions and wanting the truth, or we would not do this. I wish I was totally confident in my vocals & did not need the opinions of others, but I DO.
So, I'm off to record my next sub for you all to rank & comment on. (Honestly, please)

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Bravo for BSS
I think your entry should be used as an example for all the members on this site. It was not only about an honest person seeking the same from others but imo reflected the plain truth about the right attitude to observe while trying to learn and have fun at the same time with whatever talent we may have. I hereby proclaim your entry the POSTER to have on our refrigerators.

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Thank you Tonmay. I have read quite a few of the forums here now, and the "honest rating" thing comes up quite often. And, , seems to spark alot of arguments and unkind comments.
I do not wish to have a beef with anyone here, nor would I try to befriend someone to get them to score me well. Because, when all is said and done, having a bunch of 10's is NOT going to make me sound any better.
And I just wish everyone would try atleast to be honest. Maybe not brutally honest in some cases. If someone sings horribly and doesn't have a chance of being on key, I for one would never comment just to quash their dreams. It's not only the great singers who dream of being great singers. I just prefer not to comment on that type of singer.
And- - to anyone reading- - if I have not commented on you, please don't think I'm meaning your subs. I have tried to listen and comment as much as possible, but I'm probably not on here near as often as some. My husband, as well as most of my relatives, thinks I spend WAY too much time doing music stuff as it is. I'm either looking up karaoke on the internet, singing karaoke at home, wanting to go out to karaoke, playing my guitar, playing my fiddle, or playing the stereo too loud. (Yee-haw, I wouldn't have it any other way.)
But, I do have to leave a little time for regular every day stuff. So, I can't be on here listening as much as I want. So, don't unfairly judge my comment above, because I have nowhere near listened to a 10th of the people on here. Shame on me, I'll get busy listening. To be honest, when I start listening, it usually puts me in the mood to karaoke, so off I go to sing again. (It's a vicious cycle)
But, as to your response to my original entry (BOOK 1 , I'll call it) : I just want honesty, and I would like to try to give it. But I'm too partial to my favorite stuff, I prefer one genre of music over the rest. And I'm not good at judging other genres, I do not listen to them often at home. But, I can appreciate a good sound, so when I listen, it either grabs me, or it doesn't. That's why I don't comment alot, I don't want to be unfair & comment only on country or bluegrass entries (or Elvis-I'm a hopeless fan). Who knows, maybe this whole website will expand my musical ear.
Cause all bad ratings and comments aside, this is a h_ _ _ of alot of fun. I didn't know there were so many others out there with the same addiction as I have.

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Hi Blue, I agree with you for the most part, however I don't quite understand some of your logic. It seems you only want to comment on good or half way decent singers in your opinion. So that means that people that participate on this site don't necessarily fall into your level of talent to be worthy of any comments. So by being silent to them you pretty much do rate them except you don't have courage/honesty to give constructive advice. I try to listen without discriminating and vocus on what was good about the song and make comments that might be helpful. Alot of the time I just give a holler to show my support without getting too caught up with rating(that's the fun part!). Lord knows I am no expert but I think all singers great, good, fair and poor should have the opportunity to be acknowledged in some way. I don't say too much when it comes to country songs because I am not too familiar with most but I try. I do respect your opinion and Honesty is the best policy and sometimes being silent is good too but not always.

Ya see there, I'm getting my 2 cents thrown back at me. First of all, I have barely rated or commented on anyone here, because I (and I'm pleading guilty here) have not done the amount of listening that I should. If you check my comments, you'll see that. I have simply picked out songs that are favorites of mine & listened to them, because I don't have the time usually to listen to the amount of songs that are listed on here daily. The only one exception being: I listened to a genre of music I rarely ever listen to and commented accordingly, only because the person has given me recording advice, and I wanted to hear this person's recording, to hear the sound quality. And when I got there, I liked what I heard, so I left a comment.

And now I've offended someone.

As to this comment you made:



I have never tried to say I have any "level of talent" here. I am not claiming to be anything I'm not. I am probably more of a front porch singer than most . So I don't understand what you meant by that.

As I said, I have not listened near enough on here. I have simply clicked on songs that are favorites of mine. And, the ones I did not comment on, it's not like the people know I "listened and didn't comment". So where is the harm there? Do you comment on every song every day? I don't think anyone does. So, no one can think I listened in but failed to comment on any given song. I actually try to vary who I listen to, except for a couple favorites I have. And everyone has favorite singers here, it shows in the voting and comments. I don't mean unfair favorites, I mean your actual favorite people to hear. And, really, I haven't listened too awful much.

And now you've left me in an odd position. Until now, I have not clicked on one of your songs. And you have a couple favorites of mine up, I must have missed seeing the name of them when sub'd, Shania & Sheryl Crow. But, now how am I to rate you or comment? If I comment & rate good, it will look as if I'm kissing _ _ _. If I comment & rate critically, it will look as if I'm being catty. And, personally, I do neither of those.

As to my choice to not rate at all, or comment. I have heard some people who were very off key, some off timing, some songs that just don't fit someones vocals. But, I simply can't & wont relay that to someone just because I think they need to hear it. There are folks on here who are willing to do that already, and if they hear it from one or two, they don't need 20 of the same comments. And there are those much better qualified than I to critique someone's voice. I know what sounds good to ME, and I know off key when I hear it, but my opinions have not always matched those of the general population on here either. I have never ran a singing contest, been a judge, or even a KJ. So I don't want to hurt someone's feelings with my unprofessional advice.

I mean, nobody on here has picked me out and asked that I listen and rate them. Who am I to everyone on here- just another karaoke fanatic. And have you HEARD my subs? I have some pretty poor recordings, as I do not have decent equipment. Most would laugh to see what I record with.

So my comments were not meant to say "If you're not good I wont comment". I simply am stressing that I do not want anyone giving me good comments or a 10 that they do not honestly think I deserve. I would much rather hear it straight up. And I, in turn, would do the same. If I give you a 10, I really think you deserve it. I have not given one on here that I would take back.

One thing you will never see me do is rate the top 5. There are too many in one week to choose only 5. Again, I don't consider myself judge material. And I'm not experienced enough with different genres of music, so it would not be fair.

My pov is this: I want honest opinions on my music. Music has always been a huge part of my life, and my life would not be the same if music ever ceased.
But..... if I were ever to be told (by a credible person who knew music well) that I was a horrible singer, or could not sing on key at all, I would be literally crushed.
So, knowing this, I could never break someone else's heart by saying "You missed the mark, you're not on key" or "You're voice is not suited to pop music". How do I know how well they could take that? Music is a very sensitive area for alot of us, and for alot of us, it's much deeper than a "hobby".
And I am not willing to play the bad guy here.
Kind of reverse of the old saying "I can't TAKE it, but I can't DISH it".
And my reasons, I think, are good ones. Just to not hurt feelings.
Really wish I could comment on you though, Dona. But now, like I said, I would feel cornered by any comments I left.

Hope I didn't step on any more toes here, not my intention.
I only do that when dancing, but that's another website's forum.

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Okay, major typo in my last entry:


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Kind of reverse of the old saying "I can't TAKE it, but I can't DISH it".


"what I really meant to say" was.....

"I can take it , but I can't dish it"

Sorry, but I think we're all allowed a couple typos now n' again.

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Hi Blue, I just finished giving you this big ol long letter but it failed to go through.I shot my mouth off to much anyway! To make a long story short. As for listening to all songs, thats impossible! I pick and chose as I like same as you. My only thing is that you are sitting on both sides of the fence wanting committment of honesty. But, it seems you should try and be honest with others too. Thats only fair. Its like a teacher paying attention to only A & B students and ignoring the others for fear they will be crushed by any attention drawn to improvement. More credit should be given for at least most people on this site. I respect your love of music and I too love it as well! I have a long history of music, singing, playing and having fun in my family. Lord knows I'm no expert but I throw my 2 cents worth in too now and again! I very much appreciate most all input. Good, bad, or indifferent. I thank people unconditionally. Take it for what its worth and move on, no hard feelings, no resentment. Now thats my honest 2 cents too!

By the way, I can't dance either! I leave that up to my daughter

Hi ladies: In relation to the main topic, just today I gave an honest opinion inluding constuctive criticism and according to the reply i got, it sounds like the person got offended. I got the "This is just karaoke for me" response. So you see what's hapenning here is that not everybody is able to handle honest comments. From my personal experience from now on before I make any kind of what I think are helpful comments, they will be directed only to those who have shown good sportmanship and a sincere desire to make things better for themselves. I get a great satisfaction from being able to help anybody just as much as I get from doing my songs. Also I keep my ears open to any comments or performances that would help me improve my singing.
Isn't that what it's all about??????????

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YES, you are right Tonmay That's what it should be about any way you have helped me a great deal with your comments to me thank you for be truthful! I know I need any help I can get my singing needs work I'M trying to do a better job remembering the words sometime I make my own up as I go sometimes it works but not always if you know what i mean! Others like Allstar are helping too as well as Dona,Emma and many others thank you all very much! it nice to know people take there time to try help us new guys!

Hey Joe: I tell you, if everybody here had your rightful attitude it would be so very nice. The truth of the matter is that not all accept good intentioned advice while claiming they are only doing it for the fun of it. If I didn't need the comments I would say so in the song's description but I'm one that uses all the help I can get and be thankfull for it.
Congratulations Joe.

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I just want to say to all of you Thank you for having an open mind to this. I see there's a change in attitude, and as tonmay said,



Let's all be like that!