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I could be looked on as sticking my tounge out at you yanks. (cumon JD)
Not so.
I am using my second rig to do a second karaoke gig on New years eve.
Without a single karaoke disk.
I could split my library but I am not going to.

Every song requested I will download on the spot.
My choice is Zoom and Sunfly which is pretty much what is expected in the UK.

How wonderful to only buy the songs I will use.
All my life I have objected to buying the album for one song.
It is better than what CB is doing.

Never would I have thought that the US is waiting on catch up with the UK.
Anyway just saying I hope you guys are able to join the 21st Century soon.

This post is not meant to laugh taunt or annoy anyone.
It is to point out an Irony that the manu's are trying to avoid.

I actually tried to help a yank by creating and loading an account. (Legit in the UK)
The yank would not accept it.
Yes. It is the one that tried to get a bear to eat me.

Sounds like an excellent idea to me.

Last night I did a four hour show, got paid $150.. had about 6 singers per hour.. 24 songs, and all of them except for maybe one or two are songs that have been requested dozens and dozens of times before.

Seems like an inexpensive way to not only get started, but also be sure you've got everything patrons request.

Just remember Jerry12x:

We have ranch dressing.

And we can download it 24/7 at a grocery store near us.

Ahhhh. Forgot about that one.

I think all of your fellow KJ's on this site should put together a care package to send to you of ranch dressing. We wouldn't want you to feel deprived there in the UK.

And next time you come here you'll have to spend a day or so in Detroit. of course, I think it would be a blast to visit you in jolly old England.

(I'll even bring ranch dressing if you are running low)

You folks in the UK seem to get it done right. Now if all the downloads were in .WAV form my ears wouldn't bleed from listening to MP3s for hours on end....

We can also get those taquitos that have been sitting on rollers for 12 hours after work! Not only that, but our lager is served COLD!

Seriously, that's great for you. Though I don't use a computer for the show, I think it would be great for other hosts if it ever happened here.

Probably going to be a while though.....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Hey Jerry. Let me know how that show goes. I'm interested in finding out if I can do that at some point when I'm ready to put together a second rig

Also, will you be doing it straight from the website(s), or with a player with stores loaded like Kjams?

Cheers man. That's pretty awesome if you can pull it off smoothly!

this could be a real winner. i have been pulling tracks from Tricerasoft, karaoke Version, Buykaraokedownloads.com and Karaoke Locker lately on the fly and holy crap what a difference to the singers that i can get something i don't have right there.

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As far as I am aware it is not legal in America.

If only North America would get with the program!

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Similar to what Chartbuster is doing with the KJMP. I now unlock my songs instantly for $.60 per song. Would love to see some of the other manus line up with Invicion.

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Does that mean if you decided to pack up and move to America your library that you currently legally own instantly becomes illegal? That doesn't make much sense.

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if i buy the zoom or sunfly song on disc, it has MCPS paid and i can use it. if i buy the zoom or sunfly song on download, it has MCPS paid and i can NOT use it? takes us back to the problem of only being able to use discs made in the U.S. it can not be shipped to the U.S. for re-distribution. i am buying a U.K. made product from a U.K. company direct from the U.K.. here we go again.

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Actually according to the MCPS, any format made with MCPS stamped on it isn't licensed for use in US. Although it does state for songs created after a certain date (which coincides with the US retailers not being able to sell these tracks either after that date), so am assuming that anything bought before that would be fine.
http://forum.mtu.com/showthread.php?t=12785&page=2 begins at paragraph 1.40 and notes paragraphs from there.

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Paradigm, you know I think you rock. However, while download sites based outside of the U.S. are perfectly legal. and host OUTSIDE the U.S. are perfectly legal in using said downloads to base a show- said downloads are NOT LICENCED for use in U.S. based shows. While most of the world has some sort of blanket licence, no such license has EVER been drafted for use in a U.S. BASED KARAOKE SHOW.

"if i buy the zoom or sunfly song on disc, it has MCPS paid and i can use it. if i buy the zoom or sunfly song on download, it has MCPS paid and i can NOT use it? "

Correct. Here in the U.S., only manufacturers' original media protects you from liability. Downloads ( uploaded to some media with the skills and equpment of the uploader, subject to transmission through other media that may include drop-outs, frequency shifts, and random compressions, then downloaded by a nonprofessional music engineer at whatever bit rate, through consumer media, into consumer equpment, no longer qualifies as manufacturer original, but the KJ's own creation- and subsequently the kj is now responsible for ALL licencing- rather than the mfr. The download KJ has screwed himself.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

i know what you are saying Joe, but i can not use MP3's transferred from a Chartbuster disc as the same issues can occur. what i am using in the show is no longer manu original. there is a serious slippery slope theory going on and weather i rip from Sunfly cd+g to mp3+g (it only breaks the rules to import for resale), transfer mp3+g from disc to HD (as in Chartbuster), download the update from Chartbuster to the KJMP, or download the mp3+g from Sunfly directly (or a dealer they authorize to sell their material) it all had the same possibility of corruption as it would to play the disc on a lower quality player with a dirty laser. the final product of the 0's and 1's on screen and through the speakers is not what the manu created. this means that Chartbuster is purposely setting us up by allowing us to use their discs on PC, as is SC, Stellar, Zoom, Sunfly, SBI, Mr Entertainer, Just Tracks, Pocket Songs. i am not ready to believe that the entire karaoke world is trying to get us in trouble by saying it's ok. i still want to see something legal that says a download is no longer manu material. as well as i do not believe that the admin of this forum would allow Tricerasoft, Karaoke Locker and Selectatrack to advertise if their material was illegal.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

That just seems a little overboard to me.
I think the invention of the term media-shifting for the purpose of putting "legality fright" into everyone who makes a copy of anything is just a little too broad and getting ridiculous.

Under that definition whether I'm using an original disc or my SBI downloaded file if I play "I'm Henry the Eighth I Am" by Herman's Hermits at a show, when the song gets stuck in the heads of my audience I would be guilty of "media-shifting" the content into their brains without proper licensing.

IP laws gone wild!

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For the record, Tricerasoft has stated that there license specifically states FOR KJ USE, which means that this site would be legal in both the US and Canada because that's where they are licensed to sell downloads.

If anyone wants to verify this, they can contact them directly.

-James

Whatever I purchase, I'm going to use in my business. Where has anybody seen a KJ prosecuted for using karaoke tracks that they legally purchased in their show? Where is the legal reference and who is enforcing it?

I agree. While the licensing may be a gray area, I have no fear that SunFly is going to come after me for downloading (and paying for) one of their songs on Tricerasoft and then using it in a US show.