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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:29 pm 
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I have recently returned to the karaoke business after a 5 years break. I over 15 years in the business and took a break. I used cd-g and still have a large collection but want to up date my library. What is the best format to use. I have looked at several but very confused. What is the up and coming formats and systems.


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I don't know of any "up and coming" formats, but the best way to rip your cdg+g's is in cdg+mp3 format. And trust me, don't skimp on quality of the rip just to save time and/or space. I ripped mine originally at 128kbps, and then I started ripping my new releases at a higher bit rate and could tell the difference. I ended up re-ripping my entire library. Also, I suggest Power Karaoke for ripping because it tags the songs as it rips them. You definitely want to tag your mp3 files!

In an ideal world, we could rip our karaoke songs in a wmv or similar format so that you don't need a separate karaoke player on your computer to play the files, but to my knowledge, you can't do that.

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The MP3+CDG format is far and away the most popular and pervasive. As noted in the previous post, if you decide to rip down your collection, don't skimp on the bitrate. 320kbps minimum. I believe that is what Sound Choice is providing for their files when you buy their digital compilations these days.

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MP3+G is bay far the most popular, but if you want the absolute best possible, you do have the option to rip to WAV+G or even .BIN. hosting programs can read both of those. but MP3+G is the most popular.

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FLAC is probably the greatest audio format to happen to mankind :lol:

No but really, it's mathematically lossless and takes up half (roughly) the space of a regular WAV file. I don't know much about karaoke software, but if it doesn't accept FLAC plus the lyrics, what you could do is rip your discs as FLAC for archival and then mp3 for actual use. I do that for all the CDs I own, having a 320kbps mp3 and a FLAC file of each disc... and overall it still takes up less space than using wav!


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I don't know of any karaoke software that plays flac & G as a karaoke format

MP3+G @ 320 CBR or
WAV+G is the way to go in my personal opinion

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Winamp?

It seems to detect the .cdg file automatically and open it. Granted, I only have one rip in this format, and it's mp3... I can try converting it to FLAC to see what happens. (Yes, I know, converting from a lossy format to a lossless format is a terrible idea and in no way beneficial, but it would at least see if the format itself will work)

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Odd, that breaks it. In theory it should totally be possible as long as both the audio and .cdg file have the same filename... I guess whoever made that plugin made it exclusively look for mp3.

I know in the case of SRT subtitles, you can have an avi and srt with the same name and Media Player Classic will automatically load them. IN THEORY you could do the same for any type of file with .cdg, since isn't it just a moving sequence of pictures, similar to DVD subtitles?


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yep in theory ,but i don't make up statements , I don't know of any major software that plays flac+G.

It makes far more sense to rip to MP3+G as if you change your software at any time 99% of karaoke software will play MP3+G

If you make sure its 320Kbps and constant bit rate and mp3 gained you will have no problems.

DJ programs like serato have trouble with wav files and it takes it ages to build a database if wav files are on a drive.

seriously some people talk rubbish 320kbps MP3 is just fine for our application

Do this test to see if you can hear the difference between 128 and 320 lots of people can't!!!

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/mp3-sound-quality-test-128-320/

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Do this test to see if you can hear the difference between 128 and 320 lots of people can't!!!

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/mp3-sound-quality-test-128-320/


Awesome. The stats say the majority picked the wrong one (over 40,000 people) but you can bet that most of them still bragged they got it right. :lol:


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Rob Star wrote:
I don't know of any major software that plays flac+G.


Just tried it, Compuhost plays FLAC+G. I've also tried AIFF+G and it played it also. Don't know about all the others.


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I don't know of any major software that plays flac+G.


Just tried it, Compuhost plays FLAC+G. I've also tried AIFF+G and it played it also. Don't know about all the others.


Excellent. Now Joe has no reason to cart all those discs around. :wink:


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yep in theory ,but i don't make up statements , I don't know of any major software that plays flac+G.

It makes far more sense to rip to MP3+G as if you change your software at any time 99% of karaoke software will play MP3+G

If you make sure its 320Kbps and constant bit rate and mp3 gained you will have no problems.

DJ programs like serato have trouble with wav files and it takes it ages to build a database if wav files are on a drive.

seriously some people talk rubbish 320kbps MP3 is just fine for our application

Do this test to see if you can hear the difference between 128 and 320 lots of people can't!!!

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/mp3-sound-quality-test-128-320/

I heard & picked the 320 ripped. The other the high frequencies just sounded a little more garbled & not as crisp.

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In an ideal world, we could rip our karaoke songs in a wmv or similar format so that you don't need a separate karaoke player on your computer to play the files, but to my knowledge, you can't do that.


Sure you can. I can rip/convert to ANY format; mpg, wmv, avi, mp4, etc. The problem is finding a player that will change the key in these formats.


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I heard & picked the 320 ripped. The other the high frequencies just sounded a little more garbled & not as crisp.


Well you did have a 50/50 chance. :lol:


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Thats good news that compuhost does play them it doesn't even mention it plays flac on the products page and i stand corrected

i seriously wouldnt make my files that way if it was me personally as i have said lots of people change software , when something doesnt fit the way they like it and many have their favourite software ..all will play MP3+G and are designed to play that file format, if you ever have issues and you say well my files are flac +g , i wonder where they are going to point the finger first ?

again MP3+G at 320 is easily good enough for our use , its willy measuring to say you absolutely MUST have them in flac or WAV when most will not hear the difference .

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I heard & picked the 320 ripped. The other the high frequencies just sounded a little more garbled & not as crisp.


Well you did have a 50/50 chance. :lol:

Wasn't a matter of chance, I heard the difference. Playing the samples through a pair of good studio monitors probably helped.

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I would never rip to 128 , I feel on my audiophille system at home(Kef Q300's Roksan Capsian M2 and a M audio sound card) I can easily hear the difference from a CD BUT at 320 I am guessing and second guessing trying to listen for flanging effects and high end attack ,so much so that I believe that on my PA system and in most venues it will not be noticeable.

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Bazza wrote:
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I don't know of any major software that plays flac+G.


Just tried it, Compuhost plays FLAC+G. I've also tried AIFF+G and it played it also. Don't know about all the others.


Excellent. Now Joe has no reason to cart all those discs around. :wink:


Agree, once a certain pesky mfr. knocks off the crap...

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the only downside would be the extra time in ripping the music portion of the cdg disc because i doubt there is any ripping software that supports direct ripping to FLAC+G


still might be worth it tho..


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Lonman wrote:
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I heard & picked the 320 ripped. The other the high frequencies just sounded a little more garbled & not as crisp.


Well you did have a 50/50 chance. :lol:

Wasn't a matter of chance, I heard the difference. Playing the samples through a pair of good studio monitors probably helped.


Same answer as LON, and I could hear the difference in the highs even on my crappy laptop speakers.

Now compare WAV to 320, that might be a bit harder to tell the difference.

If I was to do it over again, I would probably rip to WAV.


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