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Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Naming Artists In The Book
Question:
If you want to do the last name first format, how would you do Harry Connick, Jr.?
Connick, Jr., Harry? or
Connick, Harry Jr.

I think the second.. but in the real name... 'Jr.' is not after 'Harry', it's after 'Connick'... ummm?
Author:  earthling12357 [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Naming Artists In The Book
Jr. , Harry Connick
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:36 pm ]
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earthling12357 wrote:
Jr. , Harry Connick

:lol: Always stirring sh!t!


Jr. isn't his last name ;)
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Naming Artists In The Book
Back when people actully understood how to look up a name by last name like in a library, I would list the name like
Harry Connick Jr - but it would alphabetize under Connick.

Seems younger people don't understand this concept & had to start listing them last name, first name.

I would put Jr at the end of the last name.
Connick Jr., Harry
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Naming Artists In The Book
I used to list my book in order of first name... made it so much easier. The only time there was a comma in there was for "The" and "A"

Beatles, The
Harry Connick Jr. .. find it in the H's.

I'm really sorry I switched it. Now we've got too many like "Smith, Will, w/Pitbull, T-Pain & Justin Timberlake" confusing. *and this is not a real artist listing :)
Author:  Smoothedge69 [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:32 pm ]
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Lisah wrote:
I used to list my book in order of first name... made it so much easier. The only time there was a comma in there was for "The" and "A"

Beatles, The
Harry Connick Jr. .. find it in the H's.

I'm really sorry I switched it. Now we've got too many like "Smith, Will, w/Pitbull, T-Pain & Justin Timberlake" confusing. *and this is not a real artist listing :)

I'm kind of funny about stuff like that. i don't speak like Beatles, The. I would say The Beatles. Or just take "the" out.
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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I just take the "The" out as well now.
I tried one time to list by first name - oddly enough had the most complaints about the books that I ever had. Usually do a reprint once a year, that year I did a full reprint after 5 months.
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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According the the MLA style of composition..
"Putting people's names in alphabetical order is done on a letter-by-letter basis. Omit titles (such as Lady, Sir, Sister), degrees (M.D., Ph.D.), etc., that precede or follow names. A suffix that is an essential part of the name — such as Jr., Sr., or a roman numeral — appears after the given name, preceded by a comma. (Ford, Henry J., III or Pepin, Theophilus, Jr.)"

So that would be:
Connick, Harry, Jr.
Williams, Hank, Jr.

I wasn't putting a comma after the given name:
Connick, Harry Jr.

I should just go back to my old way.. didn't take as much thinking!! :lol:
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:39 pm ]
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I leave in the "The" ... for things like The Charlie Daniels Band, so it reads: Charlie Daniels Band, The
If I left off the "The", I think I'd have to do this: Daniels Band, Charlie ?? LOL
Author:  PyleDriver [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:10 pm ]
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I have it as Connick Jr., Harry in my data base. It appears that way if I print last name first, or Harry Connick Jr. if I want to print first name first.

Jon
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:30 pm ]
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Your program prints it that way automatically? Connick, Jr., Harry?

Makes sense.. I was pretty sure I was taught differently WAY back in high school :)
Author:  PyleDriver [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:40 pm ]
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Only one comma, not two... Connick Jr., Harry. Otherwise if theres two and print first name first it appears Harry Connick, Jr., I like it just Harry Connick Jr.. I think when I got CB6000 I changed how they had all there Jr's...

Jon
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:40 pm ]
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'Nother question... is it Shelton, Ricky Van or Van Shelton, Ricky?
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:41 pm ]
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Lisah wrote:
I leave in the "The" ... for things like The Charlie Daniels Band, so it reads: Charlie Daniels Band, The
If I left off the "The", I think I'd have to do this: Daniels Band, Charlie ?? LOL

In this case if it's a 'band' I will list it as Charlie Daniels Band and list it under Charlie - since that is the name of the band, it isn't his solo stuff technically. Steve Miller Band, Eli Young Band, etc. they all get listed as if it were listing Led Zeppelin.

What makes me laugh is when kj's list Lynyrd Skynyrd as Skynyrd, Lynyrd. It's not a persons name, it is a band name. Molly Hatchet, Harvey Danger is another that I can think of right off hand.
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:42 pm ]
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Lisah wrote:
'Nother question... is it Shelton, Ricky Van or Van Shelton, Ricky?

Van is part of the last name. So it should list under Van Shelton.
Author:  Lisah [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:52 pm ]
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Thank you :) Thought so but wasn't sure!

and Yes, Lynyrd Skynyrd shouldn't be switched.. The name was made from one of the band members' PE teachers name... Leonard Skinner :)
Author:  PyleDriver [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:50 pm ]
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Lonnie even though Van is a Dutch surname in some cases, Van in Ricky's case is his middle name. It should be listed Shelton, Ricky Van.

Jon
Author:  KarenB [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:50 pm ]
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I believe that the Jr. is usually listed last, regardless of how the name is listed (ie. Williams, Hank Jr or as Hank Williams Jr). Among family and friends he would be known as Hank Jr not Williams Jr. In most cases the designation of Jr or Sr is not actually part of the name but simply a way to differentiate between the son who has the same given (first) name as his father. Otherwise, using the last name, even if you had six sons, they'd all be Jr, talk about confusing.

I just checked and the major songbooks list it as:

Williams, Hank (Sr)
Williams, Hank Jr
Williams, Hank III

It's the given name that's the multiplier not the family name.
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:56 pm ]
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PyleDriver wrote:
Lonnie even though Van is a Dutch surname in some cases, Van in Ricky's case is his middle name. It should be listed Shelton, Ricky Van.

Jon

I stand corrected. However most Vans are part of the last name and for simplicity matter where most would look, I'll probably keep him listed under Van
Author:  MtnKaraoke [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:23 am ]
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I think the grey area lies in whether the name included in the band's name is the actual name of an artist or a fictitious name that identifies the group.

Judas Priest comes to mind. They took their name from a Bob Dylan song: "The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest" according to Wiki.

Apparently it is a proper name, but not in this context.

Zac Brown and Dave Matthews are the actual artists' names.

Their listings appear under their last name:

Brown, Zac, Band
Matthews, Dave, Band

I list them that way because it also keeps their solo work adjacent in the book. When someone asks me if I have any Tom Petty, I tell them to look under Petty because that is where they will find both Petty, Tom and Petty, Tom & The Heartbreakers.
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