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This isn't specific to Karaoke, this is about the cloud concept in general. These are my thoughts on it, you may or may not agree.

First, I'm not doubting that things are moving and have moved in the direction of centralized control-that's what it is-the cloud is centralized control of software, music, databases, files, communications, hosting etc. The cloud has been coming for a long, long time. There has been talk of using thin clients for many years to replace PCs so that we won't need software or storage or anything on our machines-everything will be in the cloud.

Second, the cloud isn't for your benefit or for the general welfare of the public, it's only purpose is to increase and maximize profits for the corporations who own, maintain and control the cloud and to increase control over the public. Any convenience in terms of streaming or ease of use is incidental and not the goal of those who own, maintain and control the cloud.

Third, we are consumers, that's it. They don't care ANYTHING about the general public beyond our ability to consume the products and services that they provide. Their interest is to maximize profit by developing delivery systems that are the most efficient means available to them and for their benefit, not ours.

Our government is solidly controlled by corporate interests, not by the citizens. What we have now is the illusion of democracy. The charade that you witness in the media is carefully orchestrated to control and distract you. The cloud is part of this system. Don't believe me? Do your own research. Find out who owns the Federal Reserve and where money really comes from-the Federal Reserve is not part of the US government-it's a private bank that creates money out of thin air as debt to the American people. Do some research on Nicola Tesla one of the greatest inventors of all time. Try to figure out why many of his discoveries and inventions were never implemented and why we're still using gasoline instead of electricity to drive our cars.

If you think the cloud is a good thing, think again.

Wrong on all counts.

-Chris

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My only thoughts on this, what business that offers goods or services don't have their own selfish wants and needs first? I've never found one.


But for checks and balances, the customers will determine their success. If the goods or services don't meet the customer's needs, they won't purchase.


It's all about give the customer what they want when they want it in the quantity that they want with good quality being implied.

Jury is still out on cloud but it appears it won't go away!

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George Carlin was very insightful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI9c68i6QSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_536665&v=3ky0ml2ZNHg&src_vid=vI9c68i6QSg&feature=iv

That's it?? How about a counter argument??

"Wrong on all counts" says NOTHING. I do not understand why you are defending this Cloud crap, ESPECIALLY with what you have put into YOUR business. You stand to lose everything if Cloud comes to fruition.

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Smooth....business tax write offs bro...too easy and effective the first 3 years of a small business.

It's called "working the system". Remaining investments can be recouped and sold outside if chosen to and not tracked. See it all the time.

I wonder who here also may own stock in Monsanto? It's a greedy world out there unfortunately

Stogie is likely RIGHT on ALL Counts....greed and self-interest combined with smoke & mirrors are hard for most people to see through...

Agreed. I use iCloud for my personal music via iTiunes. Absolutely love it. All my music, everywhere, on all my family's devices. To try to paint cloud technology as some kind of Orwellian device to control the masses is silly.

Personally..........I'll keep my head out of the Cloud..... ....at 200 bucks a month.....I'd be losing.....uh......200 bucks a month....

I think we all agree that the rumored price is stupidly high, but there isn't anything wrong with the cloud concept.
If it was $19.99 a month, many of our heads would be in the clouds.

Not this one!!!! My aim is to cut down on my living costs as much as possible. Getting close to retirement age and don't need the extra costs imposing on the way I want to live. With the rising costs of things even retirement will not be possible and look forward to working until i am probably 70....

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I'd still lose 20 bucks a month....
besides.......even on all those auction hunter shows.....I've never seen someone come down from $200 to $20....

Living expenses? What does retirement and living costs have to do with Karaoke music? If I could pay $19.99 for 60,000 karaoke songs and all the new releases, I would be all over it. I would SAVE money...I spend more than that on new music every month NOW, don't you?

Again. Its not the technology, it the price.

Price does drive commerce.. (Walmart)

I spent the first two years of my business spending around $6000 to accumulate a nice library. Discount stores, yards sales, retail outlets like walmart, ebay, etc. Finally, it started getting to the point where everytime someone asked for a song, I had it... in the las three years I've added 619 songs to my library.

That's it. I know this, because I lost my songbook files, and had to use a back up from 2009... and then just used the MP3 builder from the software to finish it. I can tell you that a lot of that is from end of year disc deals, tricerasoft, and KJ media pro. That works out to be around $420 a YEAR on new songs.

I only get the songs that my singers request. I make absolutely no effort to 'get the latest' every month. I use the software I want (compuhost) and just work to put on a good show. I have no intention of embracing 'cloud.' If I am ever forced into it, I would just quite the KJ business and go full time DJ.

Chris:

Sorry my friend, but the Federal Reserve Bank is NOT part of the US government, it was established in 1913. It prints US money and sells it to our government at interest. 100% of your federal income tax goes to pay for this. Sorry, my friend, but that's a FACT.

The media is corporately controlled, and if you think you are getting the truth, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you,

I don't know if Cloud is connected to any of that, but trusting them to continue to provide a service whereby my karaoke songs are delivered to me wirelessly just doesn't sound like a sound and reliable business model.

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Who said anything about defending it? Just saying he was wrong..... but if you insist.



Keep in mind, he is NOT talking about karaoke, but the cloud in general.



The Cloud is NOT about centralized control. That is a conspiracy theory. There are 5 tenants that define the cloud from a COMPUTING perspective. the basics concepts can be applied to lots of other industries though and have been in placed for decades. If you want to understand what "The Cloud" is all about, go read the National Institure of Science and Technology definition of "cloud computing".

http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistp ... 00-145.pdf

Summary here -

On-demand self-service. A consumer can unilaterally provision computing capabilities, such as server time and network storage, as needed automatically without requiring human interaction with each service provider.

Broad network access. Capabilities are available over the network and accessed through standard mechanisms that promote use by heterogeneous thin or thick client platforms (e.g., mobile phones, tablets, laptops, and workstations).

Resource pooling. The provider’s computing resources are pooled to serve multiple consumers using a multi-tenant model, with different physical and virtual resources dynamically assigned and reassigned according to consumer demand. There is a sense of location independence in that the customer generally has no control or knowledge over the exact location of the provided resources but may be able to specify location at a higher level of abstraction (e.g., country, state, or datacenter). Examples of resources include storage, processing, memory, and network bandwidth.

Rapid elasticity. Capabilities can be elastically provisioned and released, in some cases automatically, to scale rapidly outward and inward commensurate with demand. To the consumer, the capabilities available for provisioning often appear to be unlimited and can be appropriated in any quantity at any time.

Measured service. Cloud systems automatically control and optimize resource use by leveraging a metering capability1 at some level of abstraction appropriate to the type of service (e.g., storage, processing, bandwidth, and active user accounts). Resource usage can be monitored, controlled, and reported, providing transparency for both the provider and consumer of the utilized service.



If you look at the definitions above, the word "consumer" applies not just to businesses but also to end-users.

Example -- @smoothedge69 using iTunes ON-DEMAND from anywhere he has Internet access (BROAD NETWORK ACCESS) at the same time as millions of others using a variety devices and leveraging the resources of the iTunes Cloud to do so (RESOURCE POOLING and RAPID ELASTICITY), and only paying for the tracks he uses (MEASURED SERVICE) is the very definition of cloud computing being used for the benefit of the public. Yes, it does maximize profits, and the corporations do gain a certain level of control, but the control is over the content, not the public. If the public didn't see the benefits to this model, they would still be buying CD's. Afterall, ownership of a physical asset it prefered, right?



True. They want to maximize profits. But they have to do so in a manner that will be adopted by the consumers. If there is no value or benefit to the consumer, they will not adopt. Apple didn't make everyone buy iPods and subscribe to iTunes. They created an easy to use, attractive device that leverages and easy to use, fairly priced service that people wanted. They responded to demand and are now the most valuable company on the planet. They were nowhere near that big when the iPod rolled out. That is smart business.



Not going to argue on this. I agree with some of it. But it really doesn't have much to do with the cloud computing debate either.



If you think you can live without the cloud, try.....

-Chris

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Big difference here. Now you spend more than $20 a month on music that you OWN! In the Cloud you just rent the music and come away with an empty hand. If you stop paying the cloud it just dissipates. I would rather own the stuff I pay for, whether it be a disc or a file.

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Younger Americans who have already traded privacy for convenience without ever understanding that, and people who have lived their whole lives under some governments think of personal privacy as an abstract. These folks will have no problem at with the Cloud.

People who have been raised with the concept of personal privacy as a fact of life will not look on the cloud as beneficial, in the sense that they will not want to trade privacy for convenience.

That's personal opinion.

People use the cloud with computers that contain personal and business information are baring themselves to anyone who is interested in that information.

That's fact.

You can bet that no government computers bearing top secret military information will going cloud-happy in the near future. I figure I'll follow their example.

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Joe, in that sense, just going online opens you up the same way. The Cloud will make no difference there.

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I agree. You do not even have to be online to lose any privacy. Many of everyones personal life, finances, property, etc are already online & available to anyone that knows how to access it (some as simple as a google search) whether someone gets on the internet or not - using the Cloud is NOT going to change that.

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but in the i-tunes model, you could stop paying the $20.00 a month or whatever it comes to and keep and use the music you got from them.
in the karaoke cloud model if you stop paying the $20.00 a month or whatever it comes to, you lose all the music you got from them.
i think this is the big difference. keep the same security of license plating etc, but let us download it instead of stream it and everyone wins.

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