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...Just got finished going through my entire library and pulled out any and all discs/tracks that were ripped below 320 or perhaps were ripped at faster rates that could have led to graphic errors or garbled music. Looking at a total 766 discs. Just have to pull them out, set up the two laptops and Lite-On Drives and start rippin'! I figure it'll probably take me around 80 hours. Tomorrow should be a good day to start since I have the day off. Get going around 6 AM until 9 PM or until I get burned out and have to take a break. Should be fun! Hope to be finished by the end of the month!

if you use your ripping program to rip to .bin, don't go any farther......
you can get through 200 disc's a day easily....then at night (while you sleep) use mp3+gtoolz to convert the rest of the way.....

if you let your ripping program convert to mp3+g or zipped mp3+G it's gonna take you like 10-30 minutes a disc and will take you weeks to convert all the discs.....

just trying to save you some time.......

mp3+gtoolz will convert at 320kbs

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Just so you know ripping at a higher rate won't necessarily help with graphics issues. That all is however your drive rips with graphics. The ripping rate is how much better the audio will sound only - has nothing to do with the graphics.

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...Well, I will say that I've been using the Power CDG Burner Software for the past few years. The manual stated/suggested using 128 at 4x speed. It was written back in 2006 (?), and it also recommended these settings because of limited space, along with zipped folders, I think? Regardless, as time passed and while I was still ripping discs for the first time, I started experimenting with different speeds and settings. Then, I decided to go back and unzip any zipped files. Did all of that experimenting for the first couple of years then decided to just go back and re-rip some at 1x and 320 for the best results except for my SC discs. I decided to try re-ripping them in .bin for archive purposes since I was going to have to play them (the discs) off of my computer. I did try using the converter on one SC discs to go from .bin to 320 and it seemed to work fine. Was able to convert that one disc a lot faster than ripping it using the converter on the Power Burner.

...Again, several months back I re-ripped most of my Major Brand discs to 320 and at 1x speed. However, the other day, as I was checking the dates ripped and bit rates of my entire library, I did find some at lower rates and of course many of the lessor brand companies were ripped at 128-224 and at various speeds. So this is why I had some issues with graphic errors (only a few) and perhaps not the best audio, or at least I think so.

...Lonman, I do agree much of the graphic errors depends on the reader capabilities but have noticed that when I slow down on the speed, the graphic results are much better vs. higher speeds. It's confusing because over the years I've gotten various opinions about speed settings and how they affect the overall results. Some say to slow it down to avoid graphic errors and that it has no affect on the audio side and some say just the opposite. That if you want better audio, slow it down but higher speeds do not affect graphic results. I don't know for sure but through my results, I find it best to just slow it down to the minimum of 1x. Sure it takes longer but I believe I should be getting the best of both worlds, no?

...Mighty or Lonman, before posting this thread, I was thinking about ripping everything in .bin first and then converting to whatever I would possible need or want in the future (wave or 320/MP3) based upon the software player I would elect to use. With the Power Burner, I still have the option on speed settings in the .bin ripping format. Does or will this still affect the graphics and or audio results. I know it does when ripping in MP3 format, I am guessing it still will? Crap, I had my mind made up but now I'm wondering, again.

Reading the CD at 1X is not what Lon was talking about. Reading the CD at 1X probably could decrease the chance of graphic errors. The higher bit rate of 320 is what is written into the MP3 and has nothing to do with the CDG file or it's quality. The higher the bit rate, the more of the music sample is written into the MP3 and the larger the MP3 (Which isn't an issue these days). The graphic file is the graphic file and will be the same size and quality whether you write the MP3 at 128 or 320 but what does matter is whether the graphic is read off the CD properly and slowing down (1X ) the read process could help.

...I do understand the differences in audio quality such as MP3 (128-320), wave and or .bin. plus how this changes the audio file size and not the graphic file but some have stated that slowing down the ripping speed could eliminate any possible "audio garble." For me, ripping at faster speeds is nice but some files end up with bad graphics and possibly "audio garble" (but that could vary from person to person, ear to ear). I do know that if I re-rip in MP3, it will be at 320 and speed will be at 1x just to be safe on both ends.

...Unfortunately, Mighty made me start thinking again about ripping in .bin so that I can convert to whatever I wish (wave, MP3, etc.). Singlos Player does play wave and I think .bin? Obviously a lot of space is used to rip/store them in .bin or wave. Guess I'm just concerned if I can rip any faster in .bin and still get desirable results.

goto karaokeware.com and download the free cdgrip program, it's been updated and has good error enhancing and it will automatically reduce ripping speed if needed to reduce graphic errors.....

i myself prefer mtu's microstudio, but it's a program you have to purchase.

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I also usually use MTU and a true CDG compatible CDROM. The only issues I've had were if the disk had issues.

...Wow, I thought I submitted a response but it didn't make it. Weird!

...Anyhow, I have tried the cdgrip before but uninstalled it. Did just try it again and even at it's fastest setting it's still slower than the Power Burner. Plus it only had two speeds and no wave or bin settings. Overall, I've been very content with the Power Burner. For the most part I can safely rip at 4x but sometimes it takes dropping down to 1x to ensure good graphics. When I have ripped in bin format and then switched the Power Burner over to the converter for MP3 (320) it was super fast!

...I just need to decide if I want to continue ripping in bin format or just go back to MP3 320. I like the thought of bin and having the option to convert to whatever format I need. I can do around 10 discs per hour, which breaks down to an average disc with 12 tracks and any manual inputting of track info (if I have to). Not great but not bad.

...Regardless, thanks Mighty for putting the bin thought in my mind! But seriously, thanks to everyone for your suggestions!

if you got a disc your having trouble with, try downloading the demo for microstudio from mtu.com... it really is the best for ripping disc's....

see if it makes a difference for you.....

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I stick the disc in my player and press "play". I'm so lazy that sometimes I just hate myself. On the other hand, I gain a HUGE amount of time to promote my business. Not all trade-offs suck....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I have several discs that won't play in my cdg player BUT will rip perfectly. BIG tradeoff!

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....I remember those days!!! Unfortunately I got sucked into the "easier to use" technology side. I gotta admit, it's so much easier carrying around a hard drive than thousands of discs. It's just taken a long time, years for me, to get the product up to reliable standards. If I had to do it all over again, I would go out and get me a 3 TB HD and rip 'em in bin format at a speed of 1x to 4x to eliminate the possibilities of graphic issues and get the best audio possible. Plus, you can always convert the bin format to whatever you need with very little effort....Even though I'm re-ripping several hundred discs, I do envy you at this point but I'm just too deep in the hoopla to look back now!

I hired a neighborhood kid to do rips for me. Fed him lunch, paid him $10/hour + Bonus if he finished X number of discs within a certain window. I had 3 PC's setup for him to rip with. He placed the "bad" discs in a stack and I handled those myself.

It worked out very well and, like Joe, I had plenty of time to promote my business.

-Chris

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...I hear ya Chris but I just have a problem trusting someone else to do it correctly or just to do it in the first place. I know we're not talking about Computer Programming here but I've burned well beyond one to many times. But yes, I'm sure it was definitely worth it!

I'm guessing that you are using an older ( and probably better) player like a JVC or Pioneer. They are great, but don't recognize MP3s and some other formats.

Most modern players will read MP3s, DVDs, S-VCD, MPEG-4s, VSD, HDCDs, JPEGs, and virtually every other darn thing that I can think of. The even come with USB and card ports.

The only drawback is a slightly slower loading speed as the unit determines the format. I get around that by using 2 players and queuing up the next disc in advance ( this also gives me a backup player at all times).

Either way, my original post was kind of tongue in cheek, as I was in a weird (and tired) mood when I posted it. My apologies to anyone who may have been bothered by it. I was just having fun and meant no offense.

Someday, if I have the time, I may rip all of my discs to .wav, but I'm sure not going to do it while all of this litigation is going on. Would have to update the laptop as well. When I moved the office out of my house to someone else's bigger one, the PC I took with me was a ten year old Dell Inspiron 1000.

It serves my business and internet forum needs just fine, but I'm thinking that my 32 GIG HD ( still half empty BTW) ain't gonna cut it.. Stealing the home lappy is out of the question....

Besides, I actually LIKE handling discs- go figure......

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I have Pioneer & JVC. The Pioneer reads scratched discs much better than the JVC does, but on occasion, no player will work - but will rip fine in the computer.
I did have fun with my discs while my computer was down. If i didn't want the bells & whistles, I would've stayed with discs too.

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Hey Lon, you confused me- an easy thing to do. If NO player will work, how does the PC read it? Or actually, the better question would be: If the PC can read it, how come NO player works? Copyright coding? Damaged recognition code on the disc? How does the PC get around it?

Remember, I'm a Luddite- layman's terms?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

No stand alone cdg player (at least that I have, newest one is only 4 years old with regular maintenence & cleaning as all of my players still do) I should've said. However when I rip them, they rip fine, maybe it's the speed of the rip 4-8x as opposed to 1x speed. Plus MTU (and Powerkaraoke) have a great error correction that can clean up the graphic garble. Don't know how or why, it just does.

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The few that I've ripped, a slow rip speed reduced the errors.. (1x)

And if the reader actually reads the "Sub Code" area of the disk, (Plextor) all the better.

It seems to be a combination of issues. Good software, good DVD/CD hardware..