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Author:  MadMusicOne [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:30 pm ]
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...Am I just ripping this and probably several other All Star Discs for nothing? Loaded the disc, opened up the "Files Currently on Disc" then went to the media folder and clicked it. Right clicked on one of the audio files, went to Properties (General tab and Details tab). Clicked Details, scrolled down to Audio and saw 96 kbps. I first ripped this back on June 2010 at 192 kbps and was wanting to upgrade it to 320 kbps but I suppose I'm wasting my time since the actual disc is at 96 kbps?

...Where's the smilie icon banging his head on a brick wall at? I need it! :x
Author:  Smoothedge69 [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:48 pm ]
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MadMusicOne wrote:
...Am I just ripping this and probably several other All Star Discs for nothing? Loaded the disc, opened up the "Files Currently on Disc" then went to the media folder and clicked it. Right clicked on one of the audio files, went to Properties (General tab and Details tab). Clicked Details, scrolled down to Audio and saw 96 kbps. I first ripped this back on June 2010 at 192 kbps and was wanting to upgrade it to 320 kbps but I suppose I'm wasting my time since the actual disc is at 96 kbps?

...Where's the smilie icon banging his head on a brick wall at? I need it! :x

Even converting from 192 to 320, the damage is done and can't be undone. The loss has already happened. But at 96kbps those songs would sound HORRIBLE. They would sound like bad internet streams. There has to be a mistake somewhere. Maybe in their labeling.
Author:  MadMusicOne [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:55 pm ]
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...Dude, I don't know? When I played them in the cdg player I always thought they were lacking a little extra in the high/low department. I would have never ripped them at 192 if I had known this back in 2010. Before finding this out, I just assumed I could get a little more by going back and re-ripping those 192 cdgs to 320. What a waste of time and space. I might go back and check my Custom CDG discs from All Star.
Author:  mightywiz [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:20 pm ]
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i just checked the bitrate on my custom downloads i did and they are at 128k......

@.44 cents you get what you pay for....lol
Author:  MadMusicOne [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:42 pm ]
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mightywiz wrote:
i just checked the bitrate on my custom downloads i did and they are at 128k......

@.44 cents you get what you pay for....lol


...Well, it does cut down on around 70 cdg re-rips for me. Oh well! I'll just keep 'em at 192.
Author:  Smoothedge69 [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:52 pm ]
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MadMusicOne wrote:
mightywiz wrote:
i just checked the bitrate on my custom downloads i did and they are at 128k......

@.44 cents you get what you pay for....lol


...Well, it does cut down on around 70 cdg re-rips for me. Oh well! I'll just keep 'em at 192.

192 isn't horrible. In a bar setting, you have to have super hearing to hear anything wrong. It's 96 that is scary. LOL
Author:  MadMusicOne [ Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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Smoothedge69 wrote:
MadMusicOne wrote:
mightywiz wrote:
i just checked the bitrate on my custom downloads i did and they are at 128k......

@.44 cents you get what you pay for....lol


...Well, it does cut down on around 70 cdg re-rips for me. Oh well! I'll just keep 'em at 192.

192 isn't horrible. In a bar setting, you have to have super hearing to hear anything wrong. It's 96 that is scary. LOL


...Yeah, I don't get that 96 on that All Star Hybrid. It doesn't sound as bad as you would think but was still shocked to see it. I was just wanting to re-rip all of my 192 discs to 320. However, this just lightened the load up a little. Am gonna check those other All Star Hybrid just out of curiosity.
Author:  Brian A [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:29 am ]
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mightywiz wrote:
i just checked the bitrate on my custom downloads i did and they are at 128k......

@.44 cents you get what you pay for....lol

The only stupid question is the one you don’t ask, so here I am me asking. How do you check the bitrate of your download? Are downloads from Tricera & S-A-Track also at 128kbps? This is probably as simple as it gets & staring me in the face & don’t it.

I might be doing something wrong, but here’s my process: download the song, save on file. Locate downloaded song, drag & drop to PowerK cdg burner. Select 320kbps. Insert blank cd to copy, cd also serves as back-up. Open my hosting software & import. When I play those downloaded songs, my hosting software bitrate indicator sez 320.
Author:  MrBoo [ Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:29 am ]
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Browse to your mp3 file folder, right click on the MP3 you wish to check, click the properties. Go to the details tab and look for bit rate.

You can also add the bit rate to the view in Windows 7 (maybe XP as well but I can't remember). Browse to the folder with the music files. Right click on the heading at the top (Like where Name, date modified, type, etc are). You can check and uncheck the various things that can be added as columns. Click more at the bottom and check the bit rate option. Now you don't have to go to the file properties of each file.
Author:  Earl [ Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:13 am ]
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I still can't understand why you would want to re-rip to 320.

If something was originally ripped at 96, or 128, or 192, no amount of re-ripping from those values will make any improvement in quality.

All you're doing is creating a lot of work for yourself... and wasting space.
Author:  Brian A [ Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:55 am ]
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I learned from the forums 128kbps & 320 comparison wise are really indistinguishable. I have dog ears :) & I swear they sound exactly alike. I do however rip at 320kbps for peace of mind knowing that I probably ripped with a small amount of quality margin. :)

Take the comparison test: http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2009/03/mp3 ... t-128-320/
Author:  MrBoo [ Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:53 pm ]
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Ripping from wav or bin to 320=good
Ripping from 96, 129, 192 to 320= waste of time, waste of space and possibly noticeable sound issues.
Author:  MadMusicOne [ Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:26 pm ]
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Earl wrote:
I still can't understand why you would want to re-rip to 320.

...Not trying to come off a jerk here, just responding:

...My only reason for re-ripping MY BIN FORMATTED cdgs was an attempt to get the best sound quality in the MP3 format for the singers and folks attending. Am sure opinions will vary and vary by a lot!

If something was originally ripped at 96, or 128, or 192, no amount of re-ripping from those values will make any improvement in quality.

...Ok, I'm a little confused here. I'm not sure I understand what you are referring to? I was talking about re-ripping from the original Karaoke CDG, not trying to convert a 192 MP3 to a 320 MP3 and expecting better sound quality. With the exception of the recent Karaoke MP3 Discs from Karaoke Manufacturers like SC and Pop Hits Monthly, I assumed that all other cdgs came in bin format (much larger files and bit rates) which was the format that most if not all Manufacturers, including Pop Hits Monthly and SC were putting out for many, many years. Sure, some formats have varied from time to time but I was referring to CDGs. The All Star Hybrid CDG threw me off, I assumed it was a bin formatted cdg.

All you're doing is creating a lot of work for yourself... and wasting space.

...That's what I thought I was pointing out throughout this thread. That I over ripped those All Star Hybrids the first time (back in late 2009/early 2010) but didn't realize it until the other day when I actual checked the files on the disc before attempting to re-rip them to 320. So you're correct here, there's no need in attempting to re-rip the All Star Hybrid Hybrid cdgs if the Properties Tab is correct showing the bit rate at 96, I will just leave them at 192 (even though I over ripped them the first time). I was just surprised to see that 96 bit rate under the Audio Section on the disc. Just strange!
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:41 pm ]
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Well, if that original disc was ripped at 96, then ripping to the computer at 192 is still going to degrade the sound quality a little bit since the bit rate is still compressing the quality even further. So it would make sense to re-rip them at 320 or wav to keep whatever quality IS there in tact.
Author:  MadMusicOne [ Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:57 pm ]
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Lonman wrote:
Well, if that original disc was ripped at 96, then ripping to the computer at 192 is still going to degrade the sound quality a little bit since the bit rate is still compressing the quality even further. So it would make sense to re-rip them at 320 or wav to keep whatever quality IS there in tact.


...Knew I should have started back re-ripping in bin. :lol: But seriously, thanks because I wasn't aware of that. Besides, I can always convert down to wave or 320 MP3, even if I go bin first, right? Guess I will put those All Stars back in the rotation for re-ripping.
Author:  MrBoo [ Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:58 am ]
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Yes, as long as Bin to 320 is an option with your conversion product. This all made me think and I checked mine. Everything is at except for a handful of 320s. 192 is where they will stay.
Author:  BigJer [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:41 pm ]
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Anybody able to apply Nyquist theorem to all this and come up with the appropriate bit rate to capture everything that most people old enough to legally patronize a bar can actually hear?
Author:  Lonman [ Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:20 am ]
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I have to wonder if anyone really cares about sound quality like us older folk anymore. Most people are happy listening on their i-phones, or buy those cheap little docking stations for their i-pod. None of my friends even have home stereo systems that we all used to have with the tower speakers & subs, now they all use small computer speakers for listening to music. The only that seem to have nice stereos are the kids driving in their cars & then they don't care about clarity, they just want the boom factor. So does it it really matter if something is ripped where it's going to produce the best sound anymore?
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