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Anyone know when this site went active?

http://www.piracyrecoveryllc.com/

When we first heard of this outfit I looked for a web-site regularly until giving up thinking they would never do a public site. Now they have one and they are publicly stating their intentions and mission.

They also have a "Vetted KJ's list" that has a little less than 100 folks on it. Interestingly, I am not on this list. Nor is Athena. Nor are other formerly CB certified hosts. Very disturbing actually given how vocal many of us are about piracy.


I asked PR to contact me so I will let you know what comes of it.

-Chris

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Embarrassingly small number of vetted KJs, and no city location. This is all there is after a year? Oh wait there is hope (and change)on the horizon.

Hmmm... the whole premise of their site is that EVERYONE is looking over their shoulder... Why would anyone look over their shoulder if they were legitimate in the first place?

The PR, LLC and the Sound Choice sites immediately put people on the defensive. It should be no wonder to them or anyone else why they receive so much negative push-back.

-Chris

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Maybe they are aligned with the IRS and NSA

I have a different take on this. This is pure revenue, nothing else.

What is to prevent another dozen of these "organizations" from popping up each demanding a fee to "vette" your system and give you a clever logo sticker (each and every year/month/week) ?

What do you suppose that clever sticker is worth to your business? Free coffee?

For me the bottom line is this: If you run a 100 percent legit show, you don't need every organization on the block to audit you for a fee every year or month or week. Now, if they want to do audits or vetting at their own cost... I have no issue with that, but we all know that is not ever going to happen.

Here's a perfect analogy: I don't cheat on my taxes, so I have absolutely zero fear of the IRS requesting an audit of my return. I don't need some pseudo organization to analyze my tax return to tell me what I already know for a fee.

cliffd64,

The thing is that Piracy Recovery LLC is the one who files the copywrite lawsuits on, as the website calls it, "...of the classic Chartbuster and Karaoke Cloud libraries". They are not just a "we will verify you" agency.

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More Info:

Looks like the domain name was created on 06/28/2013.

-Chris

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-Chris

and why do only 10 of them have verification numbers?
how did they get verification numbers?
why isn't Athena on there, she ws the most proactive?
this makes all of us who did the right thing and went through a CB audit.....illegal and required to remove all CB and DTE material from our drives until we pay someone else for the same tracks that were paid and verified before.

Gretchen, are they telling the truth about suing on DTE behalf? am i going to get sued if i do not pay them to use the DTE tracks i bought from Karaokecloud.com?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

It would seem Paradigm that they really don't know or care who their supporters are. Being proactive doesn't mean that you are going to get any preferred treatment. In a way that is what the proactive crowd wanted everyone being treated the same. It appears that all hosts are going to have to be certified once again, if you can get an audit, which is still up in the air. It will be interesting to see how PR/WWD treat the DTE tracks. The whole purpose of the legal process it was thought was to encourage hosts to subscribe to Cloud, if they are not working together then all PR/WWD has is the legal process, since no new CB product is in the future. It is also puzzling why only 10 of the vetted hosts have numbers assigned?

It's going to be a long weekend waiting for her reply Paradigm.

The problem is how do you prove you are legitimate if there is no auditing system in place? So yes everyone even the former certified hosts would have to look over their shoulders since their certifications are no longer valid and need to be renewed.

Why do you need an audit process to prove you are legit? Can't you produce receipts for your items or in the very least produce the original discs for verification? A paid audit process does nothing to assist you in that. You either have the proof or you don't.

The audit piece comes from computer based hosts making copies of their discs to their PC's. Some computer based hosts just copy it all from a buddy or from a pirate site on the web. There needs to be some method of confirming that they have what they show on the drive. Receipts aren't effective is determining possession of discs because the discs can be sold. Receipts are more effective against digital downloads.

-Chris

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my point though chris is they are mentioning DTE as well who only sell in digital download format. why are we to look over our shoulders in fear of a suit that they can levy against us for nothing more than playing DTE tracks in the format that they are sold and intended to be used?
even the disc argument is not holding water here.
even if we do go with that, requiring an audit to verify that people using the digitzed versions of tracks bought on cd.....
why should we have to pay to be audited to use digital tracks direct from the source with receipts at the main office, and using them in their intended format?
at that point it becomes "if you want to use music in a format other than the way it was sold, you must pay. if you want to use music in the exact format it was sold, you must also pay."

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

In my case, I would be using the product in a shifted format... from Downloaded format to burned disc. So now, if anything, things would be reversed to saying that an ODB KJs would logically be the target instead of a PC based KJ. But, since we (ODB KJ) are so few and far apart (almost extinct... some would even say we're on the "Endangered Species" list), I highly doubt that they would even bother with us.

The jukebox hard drive player hosts are even more rare cue, and are really flying under the radar.

That's the whole idea Paradigm everyone is going to have to pay. PR/WWD is not a producer of new product directly their only function is the legal process and the recovery of money for the CB label. They are not even recovering the money for the original company like SC is doing, but rather for a group of investors who obtained the rights in a still undisclosed manner. As far as DTE tracks are concerned I thought they were going to police their own product?

actually WWD is Norbert Stoval.
http://www.bizapedia.com/nv/WORLDWIDE-DIGITAL-ENTERTAINMENT-LLC.html
they haven't picked up anything from anybody, same player different name.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Stoval is one of the managing members. I would guess this group of four managing members are also the investors of the now defunct CB label. They also probably have their fingers in the PR pie as well as DTE. That is what is so seedy about this whole situation with CB/PR/DTE/WWD, it's like an onion you just keep peeling back layers. They appear to be not connected on the surface, but they are working together behind the scene. They may not of picked up anything from anybody, but they sure want you to believe that is the case. All life is an illusion, the tricks of any magician rely on the art of illusion. In this case they are using illusion to get your money from your pocket to theirs.