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...Well. I could be wrong but I think this thread was started in reference to, "show me your Karaoke Manufacturers' Original Media" and "I'll show you an Association Certificate" for commercial use, along with Commercial Venues. Trying to weed out the "Illegal Hosts" ..... maybe???

No one would agree to any proposed ideas - guarantee - it's been talked about, tried, shot down, rinse & repeat. Too many kj's believe in their own ways things should be done - which is why most of us got into kj'ing in the first place - because we (or at least in my case) hated the other kj's ran shows. Playing favorites, trying to sing too much or show up good singers by singing right after them / or taking their songs, bad rotation habits, no musical ear for mixing, equipment, selection, et....

Legal authority - Got to have some brawn behind the brains. This would likely need to be at a federal level so as to cover all states, lese there is a LOT of leg works to manage it at the state level.

Acceptance - Both the venues and the KJ's have to accept the organization as authoritative.

-Chris

I've seen this proposal over and over again on various disc jockey forums (DJ Chat, Pro DJ, etc.) for the past 15+ years, and it never gets off the ground. And, to be perfectly honest, I seriously doubt it would be any different here.

The reasons for failure are as many and varied as there are DJs and Karaoke hosts. Everyone has an opinion as to how things should be, and more often than not, we end up with several squeaky wheels who like to profess that theirs is the only way to run a business, and the impositions and restrictions start to multiply. And, of course, it goes downhill from there.

Here are some "requirements" I've seen:

You must have a legal library. (OK, I'll buy that.)
You must have liability insurance. (Really? That's debatable.)
You must have a business plan. (Desirable, but "Must"???)
You must have a valid business contract. (Again... desirable, but not mandatory.)
You must never sit while speaking on the mic. (Bite me!)
You must have an approved training program. (Kiss my rosy red ar....... oh, nevermind.)
You must wear a tuxedo for wedding receptions...
And here's the kicker... You must pay me association dues....

Friendly advice?? If you want to re-invent the wheel, or beat your head against the wall, go for it. But this old curmudgeon has been there, done that, and threw away the friggin shirt.

The only requirement I would have in it is legal library. Dues? Why would you need to pay dues. You have a Printer? You would have to recruit other KJs in your area and verify they are legal.

Earl wrote:

The only requirement I would have in it is legal library. Dues? Why would you need to pay dues. You have a Printer? You would have to recruit other KJs in your area and verify they are legal.

Go for it.... or, as we used to say in the navy... "Fill yer boots!" (but count me out.)

Author:	outllawXsound [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:35 pm ]
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Would any one sign up? Maybe put some ideas together? I know this has been thought of before but, can we make it grow legs?

Author:	jdmeister [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:16 pm ]
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Several have been proposed, non actually worked out.. Too many "Chiefs" not enough Indians..

Author:	Lonman [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:43 pm ]
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No one would agree to any proposed ideas - guarantee - it's been talked about, tried, shot down, rinse & repeat. Too many kj's believe in their own ways things should be done - which is why most of us got into kj'ing in the first place - because we (or at least in my case) hated the other kj's ran shows. Playing favorites, trying to sing too much or show up good singers by singing right after them / or taking their songs, bad rotation habits, no musical ear for mixing, equipment, selection, et....

Author:	MadMusicOne [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:51 pm ]
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...Well. I could be wrong but I think this thread was started in reference to, "show me your Karaoke Manufacturers' Original Media" and "I'll show you an Association Certificate" for commercial use, along with Commercial Venues. Trying to weed out the "Illegal Hosts" ..... maybe???

Author:	outllawXsound [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:07 pm ]
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MadMusicOne wrote: ...Well. I could be wrong but I think this thread was started in reference to, "show me your Karaoke Manufacturers' Original Media" and "I'll show you an Association Certificate" for commercial use, along with Commercial Venues. Trying to weed out the "Illegal Hosts" ..... maybe??? You hit the nail on the head and you were the one that said it on my other post so I figd we start a new thread and talk about. maybe we get some ideas. Think?

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Author:	outllawXsound [ Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:25 pm ]
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Lonman wrote: No one would agree to any proposed ideas - guarantee - it's been talked about, tried, shot down, rinse & repeat. Too many kj's believe in their own ways things should be done - which is why most of us got into kj'ing in the first place - because we (or at least in my case) hated the other kj's ran shows. Playing favorites, trying to sing too much or show up good singers by singing right after them / or taking their songs, bad rotation habits, no musical ear for mixing, equipment, selection, et.... Ya I understand. Don't want to tell anyone how to run their show. Just want to know and let everyone else know you are legal. Then help the ones that are not legal, get legal or gone, so we as legal host can have a fighting chance to stay in biz. This used to be a great way to have fun a make some spending money.

Author:	outllawXsound [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:01 am ]
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MrBoo wrote: MadMusicOne wrote: ...Well, a few of us have brought this subject up before but some don't seem to want to support this idea. However, some of us do believe the Venue is the missing link for various reasons: #1) provides a checks & balances system, #2) could lower the legal liability for the venue, #3) makes it harder for a KJ to do multiply gigs, at the same time & date, off of one library. And yes, other reasons. ...However, we do feel that it would require a Separate Association (one that wasn't just made up of Karaoke Manufacturers) and would require a yearly membership for both the Venue and KJ. ...With today's technology, it could be done. I still can't figure out how to give this independent association the bite it needs. There could be plenty of value added for all (Hosts, Venues and Manus) to make the fees and regulations worth while. It doesn't really need THE BITE. We as a group could be the bite by boycotts, protests. Come to our other thread please. And the regulations are already in place, ask the manus. Copied from other thread

Author:	chrisavis [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:26 am ]
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Legal authority - Got to have some brawn behind the brains. This would likely need to be at a federal level so as to cover all states, lese there is a LOT of leg works to manage it at the state level. Acceptance - Both the venues and the KJ's have to accept the organization as authoritative. -Chris

Author:	MrBoo [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:39 am ]
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chrisavis wrote: Legal authority - Got to have some brawn behind the brains. This would likely need to be at a federal level so as to cover all states, lese there is a LOT of leg works to manage it at the state level. Acceptance - Both the venues and the KJ's have to accept the organization as authoritative. -Chris Also acceptance from the manus as well. All three parts should be equally represented and the the interests of all three need to be taken into consideration. And I think it would have to be at the Federal level. I am not one that is for more and more regulations, but this is a very lawless area right now with tons of gray ink. Lonnie has a point, but most of these things in the past have leaned toward the best interests of only the manufactures (and pretty much run by the manufactures) KJs and venues certainly are not going to buy in to that. They still need to be able to run their business as they see fit and there needs to be a way to make the fees for all more of an investment than an expense. Bottom line is there has to be bite.

Author:	outllawXsound [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:55 am ]
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chrisavis wrote: Legal authority - Got to have some brawn behind the brains. This would likely need to be at a federal level so as to cover all states, lese there is a LOT of leg works to manage it at the state level. Acceptance - Both the venues and the KJ's have to accept the organization as authoritative. -Chris Well let's bring in the lawyers. Ha Ha Kidding. I understand what you are saying but, we could use the manus as brawn. Let them do the suing. The laws are already there. That is why SC is doing the law suits. We would just be trying to clean it up and educate venues and Kjs as to their liability before they get that letter of intent.. And if we know of a KJ that is legal and one of the manus is after him we could get together help show that he is in fact legal. He would not have to stand alone. And yes lots of leg work at state, county, city level. I think some one on here told me they were doing that in Florida. And as for acceptance you are right as with any Associations both would have the choice to join or not.

Author:	outllawXsound [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:00 am ]
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Just to throw this out there. There are all kinds of Associations out there that have no legal standing just good lawyers. NRA AARP are just two.

Author:	rickgood [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:14 am ]
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Obviously the manufacturers don't care enough about the issue to do anything about it, if they did, they would be pushing for it. If piracy goes away Sound Choice's business plan goes south.

Author:	outllawXsound [ Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:22 am ]
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If piracy goes away Sound Choice's business plan goes south. RG that's the idea. No one to sue........

Author:	Earl [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:10 am ]
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I've seen this proposal over and over again on various disc jockey forums (DJ Chat, Pro DJ, etc.) for the past 15+ years, and it never gets off the ground. And, to be perfectly honest, I seriously doubt it would be any different here. The reasons for failure are as many and varied as there are DJs and Karaoke hosts. Everyone has an opinion as to how things should be, and more often than not, we end up with several squeaky wheels who like to profess that theirs is the only way to run a business, and the impositions and restrictions start to multiply. And, of course, it goes downhill from there. Here are some "requirements" I've seen: You must have a legal library. (OK, I'll buy that.) You must have liability insurance. (Really? That's debatable.) You must have a business plan. (Desirable, but "Must"???) You must have a valid business contract. (Again... desirable, but not mandatory.) You must never sit while speaking on the mic. (Bite me!) You must have an approved training program. (Kiss my rosy red ar....... oh, nevermind.) You must wear a tuxedo for wedding receptions... And here's the kicker... You must pay me association dues.... Friendly advice?? If you want to re-invent the wheel, or beat your head against the wall, go for it. But this old curmudgeon has been there, done that, and threw away the friggin shirt.

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Author:	outllawXsound [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:28 am ]
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Earl wrote: I've seen this proposal over and over again on various disc jockey forums (DJ Chat, Pro DJ, etc.) for the past 15+ years, and it never gets off the ground. And, to be perfectly honest, I seriously doubt it would be any different here. The reasons for failure are as many and varied as there are DJs and Karaoke hosts. Everyone has an opinion as to how things should be, and more often than not, we end up with several squeaky wheels who like to profess that theirs is the only way to run a business, and the impositions and restrictions start to multiply. And, of course, it goes downhill from there. Here are some "requirements" I've seen: You must have a legal library. (OK, I'll buy that.) You must have liability insurance. (Really? That's debatable.) You must have a business plan. (Desirable, but "Must"???) You must have a valid business contract. (Again... desirable, but not mandatory.) You must never sit while speaking on the mic. (Bite me!) You must have an approved training program. (Kiss my rosy red ar....... oh, nevermind.) You must wear a tuxedo for wedding receptions... And here's the kicker... You must pay me association dues.... Friendly advice?? If you want to re-invent the wheel, or beat your head against the wall, go for it. But this old curmudgeon has been there, done that, and threw away the friggin shirt. The only requirement I would have in it is legal library. Dues? Why would you need to pay dues. You have a Printer? You would have to recruit other KJs in your area and verify they are legal. You could even notify venue weather he is using a pirate or not.

Author:	Earl [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:32 am ]
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Earl wrote: The only requirement I would have in it is legal library. Dues? Why would you need to pay dues. You have a Printer? You would have to recruit other KJs in your area and verify they are legal. Go for it.... or, as we used to say in the navy... "Fill yer boots!" (but count me out.)

Author:	outllawXsound [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:34 am ]
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Earl wrote: Earl wrote: The only requirement I would have in it is legal library. Dues? Why would you need to pay dues. You have a Printer? You would have to recruit other KJs in your area and verify they are legal. Go for it.... or, as we used to say in the navy... "Fill yer boots!" (but count me out.) Cool, take care.

Author:	outllawXsound [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:23 am ]
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We could call it SCCKMA Sound Choice Certified Karaoke Music Association or Sound Choice Can Kiss My A$$ Anyone want to join now HA HA HA Ya'll take care Later days.

Author:	twansenne [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:24 am ]
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I am a the founding member of the newest "Karaoke Host Association of America" as of 30 seconds ago. It is free to join Only rule is you must be a karaoke host. Anyone want to design a logo that we can all display?

Author:	TroyVnd27 [ Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:06 am ]
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A karaoke association is a great idea, BUT it is my opinion that such a thing would only work at the local level. For instance, you can join the local association if you prove you have a legal library. And then, in return, the association would provide things like co-operative advertising, maybe contests, etc. The key here is that the karaoke host AND the venues would get something in return.