From James: That's precisely the point, and your statements above show exactly why there is confusion. The host is not merely "associated with" the manufacturing of the tracks being played. He is, in fact, the manufacturer of those tracks. He, not SC, was the one who caused his computer to read information from a disc (or, more frequently, from someone else's hard drive) and write his own version of that information to the hard drive. He then uses the hard drive HE CREATED to put on shows.

But it has SC's trademarks on those tracks.

If he uses the discs SC created, great. No problems at all.

If he gets SC's permission to make tracks, with appropriate controls (audit, obligation to report additional media-shifting, applying SC trademarks only to tracks copied from original SC media, etc.), that bear the SC trademarks, no problem.

But putting SC's trademarks on tracks he created, without permission, is trademark infringement.

I have been confused as far as if a host paid for SC product and shifted it or stole it. I don't know what kind of host I'm dealing with at a computer show. Around here there was one guy evidently selling copies of his drive and the people who bought it were also sharing copies and even getting ripped off by their employees making copies. So if I went to one of their shows it was not clear as to if I was seeing an SC product or something that they created as multiple duplications. A singer would probably assume it was an original SC product and not realize and in that way they had been confused even if they didn't know enough about the situation to realize it.

How about Joe with his super "BATMAN" ears (sorry Joe) ..... is he confused because it doesn't sound quite right .

The thing is, this is the digital age. Hardly anyone uses and plays discs anymore. It's getting rare to find a new laptop that still comes with a CD drive.

Batman doesn't have Super-Hearing. Superman does.

Excerpt from a Sound Choice lawsuit
"...The Defendants’ use of [Slep-Tone’s trademarks] is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive the Defendants’ customers and patrons into believing that the Defendants’ services are being provided with the authorization of the Plaintiff and that the Defendants music libraries contain bona fide {Sleptone} accompaniment tracks."

I get that point...

Bazza thinks they (discs) are nearly worthless and have no place in today's world. Maybe he's right in one sense, but he's absolutely wrong in my world of "Boomers". However, I do believe in format shifting as most of us here do.

I have been confused as far as if a host paid for SC product and shifted it or stole it. I don't know what kind of host I'm dealing with at a computer show. Around here there was one guy evidently selling copies of his drive and the people who bought it were also sharing copies and even getting ripped off by their employees making copies. So if I went to one of their shows it was not clear as to if I was seeing an SC product or something that they created as multiple duplications. A singer would probably assume it was an original SC product and not realize and in that way they had been confused even if they didn't know enough about the situation to realize it.

Cue, I think Batman has miniature boom mikes (and a transceiver/receiver radio) built into his cowl so he does have "super-hearing". Remember he has something Superman doesn't and that's a load of money and a bunch of neat toys.

...I think it has also been explained before that a person with original discs is not going to be able to go all the way in court as it would be dropped at discovery.

I never said they had no place. I said they were obsolete technology...which is true.

Hey...people still buy VHS tapes.

The original SC product was on a disc, if the host is using a PC I don't see how there could be any confusion that it is original SC product. Since it is on the PC and not being used in the original disc format, there is no way the average person could think it is SC original product. So where is the confusion?

The average person probably would not know that little detail about SC only making their product available on CDGs and not in downloadable format for a PC). The average person just wants to sing a song in front of everyone else (or just their friends). The average person probably doesn't even know one Manu brand from the next.