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| Author: | Tonedeaf [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
A friend and I are private room karaoke mega-fans and we're interested in opening our own location up. We're babes in the woods here, so any and all info or advice is appreciated. Any pitfalls or unintended expenses to think about? How large of a staff do you need with 8-12 rooms? Is there software that will pull songs from the Internet as opposed to hard installs on servers? Thanks everyone |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
Tonedeaf wrote: A friend and I are private room karaoke mega-fans and we're interested in opening our own location up. We're babes in the woods here, so any and all info or advice is appreciated. Any pitfalls or unintended expenses to think about? How large of a staff do you need with 8-12 rooms? Is there software that will pull songs from the Internet as opposed to hard installs on servers? Thanks everyone It would not be legal to pull songs from internet unless it is a legal service to begin with like the Cloud from Digitrax. Also I do not believe it is legal to use 1 server to supply multiple rooms, there were discussions here in the past on that subject. You would need to supply an independant library or subscription for each room. Are the karaoke boxes big in your area? The ones here are geared more Asian community and have very limited (outdated) selections and very cheap sound system that most people could acheive better quality in their own living room. |
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| Author: | mrmarog [ Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
Give Kroaky's Karaoke in Sarasota, Fla. a call. The owner used to stop in now and then and he was always willing to answer questions about how it all works. He uses Unify software and has 8 rooms and 1 lounge area where anyone can sing. I think it has worked quite well for him. |
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| Author: | MIKE D [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
Also I do not believe it is legal to use 1 server to supply multiple rooms, there were discussions here in the past on that subject. not true as long as the same song is not being played in more then 1 room at any time its fine and if some one qs a song being played it well load after the song is done in other room thats what I heard from some one who does karaoke in a box |
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| Author: | mrmarog [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
I am not sure, but I think that because the server is in the same building and it will allow only one room to play a song at a time, that it is allowable and does not give them advantage by sharing a CD. In their scenario they could run a CD from room to room, where as a server across town could not reasonably share a CD because of distance and time. It is "advantage" that was ruled unallowable in a recent case. This is IMHO. Give Mark & Mary Devlin at Kroakys a call (941) 926-3434, or visit their site: http://www.kroakys.com/ |
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| Author: | kjmann [ Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
mrmarog wrote: I am not sure, but I think that because the server is in the same building and it will allow only one room to play a song at a time, that it is allowable and does not give them advantage by sharing a CD. This Is wrong. with a server situation there is no way to keep 2 computers from using the same song at the same time. karaoke hosting software copies the song it has cued up to a Temp directory on the C drive and plays it from there. so a multiple stage situation could conceivably play the same song on all the stages without a problem. |
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| Author: | mrmarog [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
@ KJMann: SC swept the Sarasota area in early 2011, and Kroakys is a 6 days a week venue that advertises every where. Do you think they were lucky or legal? I personally think both, but more on the side of legal. |
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| Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
kjmann wrote: mrmarog wrote: I am not sure, but I think that because the server is in the same building and it will allow only one room to play a song at a time, that it is allowable and does not give them advantage by sharing a CD. This Is wrong. with a server situation there is no way to keep 2 computers from using the same song at the same time. karaoke hosting software copies the song it has cued up to a Temp directory on the C drive and plays it from there. so a multiple stage situation could conceivably play the same song on all the stages without a problem. Actually, this is wrong. Every modern day operating system has the core capability of putting file locks in place that prevent access/modification/copying/deletion of a file or group of files. Applications can be written to take advantage of and extend this functionality even further. It is absolutely possible to have a server based application that plays a song in one room while preventing it from being played anywhere else. -Chris |
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| Author: | jdmeister [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
chrisavis wrote: kjmann wrote: mrmarog wrote: I am not sure, but I think that because the server is in the same building and it will allow only one room to play a song at a time, that it is allowable and does not give them advantage by sharing a CD. This Is wrong. with a server situation there is no way to keep 2 computers from using the same song at the same time. karaoke hosting software copies the song it has cued up to a Temp directory on the C drive and plays it from there. so a multiple stage situation could conceivably play the same song on all the stages without a problem. Actually, this is wrong. Every modern day operating system has the core capability of putting file locks in place that prevent access/modification/copying/deletion of a file or group of files. Applications can be written to take advantage of and extend this functionality even further. It is absolutely possible to have a server based application that plays a song in one room while preventing it from being played anywhere else. -Chris Has the ability, but needs to be used that way.. |
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| Author: | mrmarog [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
Like I said earlier: mrmarog wrote: I am not sure, but I think that because the server is in the same building and it will allow only one room to play a song at a time, that it is allowable and does not give them advantage by sharing a CD. In their scenario they could run a CD from room to room, where as a server across town could not reasonably share a CD because of distance and time. It is "advantage" that was ruled unallowable in a recent case. Thanks Chris & JD 
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| Author: | kjmann [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
chrisavis wrote: Actually, this is wrong. Every modern day operating system has the core capability of putting file locks in place that prevent access/modification/copying/deletion of a file or group of files. Applications can be written to take advantage of and extend this functionality even further. It is absolutely possible to have a server based application that plays a song in one room while preventing it from being played anywhere else. -Chris I guess My Point is that there is no piece of hosting software available at this time that can do that. |
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| Author: | doowhatchulike [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
kjmann wrote: chrisavis wrote: Actually, this is wrong. Every modern day operating system has the core capability of putting file locks in place that prevent access/modification/copying/deletion of a file or group of files. Applications can be written to take advantage of and extend this functionality even further. It is absolutely possible to have a server based application that plays a song in one room while preventing it from being played anywhere else. -Chris I guess My Point is that there is no piece of hosting software available at this time that can do that. HOWEVER, it seems that there could be software out there outside of a hoster program that can block a file in use from being used by another source... |
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| Author: | mrmarog [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
This company has what is needed for hosting a karaoke box. http://www.unifykaraoke.com/business-ka ... ke-box.htm Here is an old thread about Unify Karaoke: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16948&hilit Also search Sparkzilla (owner of Kroakys) |
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| Author: | Tonedeaf [ Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
I'll look into the legality of using multiple servers vs a single server. I've used Unify machines before and they're pretty good, but so complicated. I always wanted to find a simpler, more straightforward system that behaves more like an Apple product - visual, idiot proof - than a Windows product - heavy, complicated, powerful. The area I'm thinking of has no established karaoke box scene, nor does it have a large Korean population. But it's an area that's very open to new ways to have fun so Im not worried about customers. Some other questions if anyone is feeling generous... - Is there some sort of monthly fee for new songs or does that come with the hardware? If there is a monthly fee, about how much is it usually? - Does anyone know of some common problems one might come up against? - What do you all think of not having the main bar/public karaoke stage? Once I started going to real boxes that didn't have the main room, I didn't miss it at all. - (for owners) Where do you make most of your money? Is it on room rentals, parties, walk-ins, main bar, drink orders, food orders? - (also for owners) What costs you the most? Staff? Food and drink? Cleanup? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but hopefully a few of you guys are feeling generous with your knowledge. |
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| Author: | BigJer [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has anyone started a karaoke box business here? |
Have a friend who knows a guy in Seattle (lol doesn't this sound like a rumor?) who indeed does run a karaoke box and according to my friend does indeed have all the rooms running off one server which DOES have the software capability to ensure that a particular song is never played simultaneously in more than one room. |
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