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Rising_Phoenix
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:53 pm |
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I am curious what approach you may have when you are learning a new song from scratch. Im working on a new song and am having difficulty learning it so I was wondering if anyone can offer any suggestions.
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Babs
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:23 pm |
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I don't know if this will help or not, but this is what I do. I down load the original song on the pc and print the lyrics out. Then I open it in a music program that let's me stop and start the song easily where needed. I have more trouble learning timing than anything, especially on blues songs. I basically sing with the original until I feel comfortable enough to try it on my own. A lot of start and stopping especially on the tricky parts.
I know some people can hear a song on the radio a few times and know it well enough to sing it at karaoke. Not me, I'm not that lucky.
I know my advice is pretty basic - I'm hoping I helped a little
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:12 am |
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Karaoke Kelley
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:08 am |
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I do the samee thing Babs does Sing with the original until I feel comfortabel trying it on ,my own I WISH I could just listen to a song & automatically know how to sing it after that ! Pfft !! That aint happenin !! ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) !
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Isis
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:04 am |
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To learn a song I listen to it over and over and sing along until I am sure I have it...And then it messes me up when I sing it on Karaoke for the first time cause they always change a few of the words.....
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Tom Eaton
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:54 am |
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Most of the discs I buy have a vocal version (multiplex) so I learn the song from listening to the vocal version. On the others, if it's a song released in the last ten years or so someone has usually posted the music video for it on Youtube so I can listen to that. In that case I usually find the lyrics online and print them out so I can follow along as I'm listening.
When I feel like I basically know the song I'll sing along to the vocal version, so if I don't have it *quite* right I can just shut up and hear what it's supposed to sound like when I'm not sure. When I get confident enough I switch over to the non-vocal version to make sure I know the melody well enough to sing without any help.
By that point I can usually tell if I can do it well enough to sing it in public. On a few occasions I have been proven disastrously wrong.
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Suzanne Lanoue
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:18 am |
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First I get a recording of the song, and I download the lyrics online and print them out on paper.
I listen to the song over and over until I can sing a long a bit while looking at the words. I make little marks on the paper over the words to remind me when the tune goes up, down, is held longer, etc. I also mark where the phrases are so I know to breathe there, or any places where I notice it gets much softer or louder. I start singing with it over and over until I feel it is at the place where I am confident that I know the song.
Then if I have it on karaoke, I sing a long with it a few times and then try recordin git to see how it sounds. Listening to myself sing with it gives me ideas about how to improve, then I work on it some more. I do that until it is "perfect" (or at least as near as I can before I'm sick of it). Sometimes I will go away for a few days or weeks and then come back to it to get a fresh perspective.
I record it on my karoake machine, onto tape. Then I will record it from there to my PC and add more echo and other effects.
Then I will upload it here or I will put it on my ipod. Then I will try it in "live" karaoke. Sometimes I will try a song in karaoke that I have known for years and feel pretty comfortable with, even though I have not gone through this whole process...but I have to be pretty confident about it to do that.
Hope that helps!
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:27 am |
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Use the personal karaoke player if I have the new song, if the KJ has the new song, Ill find the lyrics and hear a downloaded version on it.
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Connie
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:02 pm |
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I learn songs about the same way Suzanne mentioned. I have my own special "shorthand" that I write on lyrics sheets. For example if a word is broken up into three notes I underline to word __ __ __ or if the note goes up or down in pitch I'll use arrows. If the word is loud, I underline it a few times or write over the word to make it bold.
I also use muliplex versions to learn songs. On some songs I sing I've never heard the original and only used the mulitplex version to learn it.
For CDG's without multiplex versions, I often borrow original CD's out of the library. What I do is take the original put it in my CD player and put the karaoke CDG version in the karaoke player. Then I synch both of them together with the sound coming from the original but only the lyrics of the CDG showing on my TV. Sometimes I have to pause one or the other quickly to get them back in synch. This has always been a great way to learn tthe song and also find mistakes on the CDG's lyrics.
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Songbird37
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:25 am |
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For me, it depends on the song. For the most part, I can hear a song once or twice on the radio and sing it almost immediately. I usually download the original song and lyrics, then just keep listening and listening until I get it down. Best of luck to you. - Tonya
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:17 am |
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Another way I learn is to play it on the piano. Most of the songs I sing I've played on the piano before. I'm curious if any other singers here play an instrument as well. I know of several that do but have not run into any pianists. My next project is to make a recording accompanying myself if I ever get around to buying that extension cable for the mic!
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:32 am |
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michaeljayklein @ Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:17 am wrote: Another way I learn is to play it on the piano. Most of the songs I sing I've played on the piano before. I'm curious if any other singers here play an instrument as well. I know of several that do but have not run into any pianists. My next project is to make a recording accompanying myself if I ever get around to buying that extension cable for the mic!
Good question Michael...personally, I play guitar, bass, and drums....I also have experience with keyboard and saxophone.....when it comes to singing and playing an instrument simultaneously, I feel most comfortable/natural with the bass guitar....having knowledge in so many instruments isn't always a good thing tho...many times when I hear a new song on the radio, I tend to piece out and listen to each individual instrument instead of listening to the collaborative blend of instruments which makes up the true song (does that make sense, ![lol lol](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) )....of course that goes away after hearing the song a few times ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:15 pm |
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I usually listen over and over... then sing through with the original at least a few times. Then I throw myself in and hope for the best ![lol lol](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) . I have been known to learn songs after 3 listens to the original, it depends how fast the melody sinks into me.
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GingerTheRabbit
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:21 pm |
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I usually will download a song to learn it if I don't already have it but most of the time I just wing it the first time. Sometimes it works out well, sometimes not so much. I'm pretty good at bluffing my way through a song I don't know now. As long as I stay on key and follow the music I'm usually ok. Of course this does not work if the words are off.
I used to listen to a cd of the songs I want to learn to sing in the car but my car doesn't have a cd player right now. But I got an mp3 player and have found it to be an awsome tool to learn new songs or refresh on old ones.
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