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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:54 pm 
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What, they bring burns and test KJs?? Hmm, isn't that entrapment??


I didn't say that.

But even if that were something we did, it would still not be entrapment. Entrapment is a defense to a criminal prosecution, and this is a civil matter.

And even if the entrapment defense were applicable to civil matters, it would still not be entrapment, for various reasons.


...OMG....I'm so sorry for the Circus Show I started. I seriously can't stop laughing at you Smooth. No Haarington "didn't say that." I should have never started posting in this thread. I would just trying to be funny earlier today...kind of, or so I thought. But that was funny Smooth! Burns, it would be a good test. At least you got me laughing and Harrington's response!....Thanks! :lol:


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....So, since you're here could you please tell me or find the answer to the following question: I have a cdg player but I would rather leave it in the van/trailer and only use it as a back-up in the event my laptop/software player fails me (the software plays several different formats, including cdg's). So, can I legally play SC Original CDG's on my laptop? I've heard others' opinions and even looked it up at the KIAA site and it appears that it's approved to do so but I would rather hear it from you.....Thank you.


Pssst--Chip--"Earmuffs," okay?

MadMusicOne, you're going to get me in trouble with Chip again. But I'm used to it.

Here's the deal...there is nothing wrong with playing your original discs using the CD drive on your computer. When you do that, though, you're going to make it harder on my investigators to filter you out of the process. My investigators are well trained and good at what they do. They rarely get "made"--in fact, I've never known one to be "made," and I've done a few dozen myself and have never been "made," either. And a lot of the information they gather standing two feet from you.

However, that's not always possible. What I'm concerned about is that they will see your computer, and see the SC logo come up, and yet not pick up that you've put a disc in. On the other hand, if they see a disc player--and they know what disc players look like--on your table, they're going to pay special attention to whether you're playing from it.

There is a risk, however slight, no matter how careful we train them to be, that they will mistake your setup for playing from media-shifted copies.

So if you'd like to tamp down that risk, what I suggest--if you're going to play discs through your computer--is that you do something to tip off the investigator as to how you do it. It could be a sheet in the front of your book that says "All Sound Choice tracks are played from original discs" in big letters. Or you could make an effort to be more conspicuous about putting in the discs. Or keep your discs up on the table. Or whatever other thing you might be comfortable with. What you do is up to you, and if some suggestion I have doesn't work for you, don't use it.

(Chip, you can take the earmuffs off now.)

If you've got an issue with the audit acknowledgement, please shoot me an email at jharrington (at) harringtonlawpc (dot) com, or a PM on here.


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HarringtonLaw wrote:
MadMusicOne wrote:
....So, since you're here could you please tell me or find the answer to the following question: I have a cdg player but I would rather leave it in the van/trailer and only use it as a back-up in the event my laptop/software player fails me (the software plays several different formats, including cdg's). So, can I legally play SC Original CDG's on my laptop? I've heard others' opinions and even looked it up at the KIAA site and it appears that it's approved to do so but I would rather hear it from you.....Thank you.


Pssst--Chip--"Earmuffs," okay?

MadMusicOne, you're going to get me in trouble with Chip again. But I'm used to it.

Here's the deal...there is nothing wrong with playing your original discs using the CD drive on your computer. When you do that, though, you're going to make it harder on my investigators to filter you out of the process. My investigators are well trained and good at what they do. They rarely get "made"--in fact, I've never known one to be "made," and I've done a few dozen myself and have never been "made," either. And a lot of the information they gather standing two feet from you.

However, that's not always possible. What I'm concerned about is that they will see your computer, and see the SC logo come up, and yet not pick up that you've put a disc in. On the other hand, if they see a disc player--and they know what disc players look like--on your table, they're going to pay special attention to whether you're playing from it.

There is a risk, however slight, no matter how careful we train them to be, that they will mistake your setup for playing from media-shifted copies.

So if you'd like to tamp down that risk, what I suggest--if you're going to play discs through your computer--is that you do something to tip off the investigator as to how you do it. It could be a sheet in the front of your book that says "All Sound Choice tracks are played from original discs" in big letters. Or you could make an effort to be more conspicuous about putting in the discs. Or keep your discs up on the table. Or whatever other thing you might be comfortable with. What you do is up to you, and if some suggestion I have doesn't work for you, don't use it.

(Chip, you can take the earmuffs off now.)

If you've got an issue with the audit acknowledgement, please shoot me an email at jharrington (at) harringtonlawpc (dot) com, or a PM on here.

I would say leave your Sound Choice home, and avoid the hassle altogether. Then the inspectors wouldn't see any SC marks and could do nothing to you.

And if you start working with Sunfly and the other UK manus, how are you going to distinguish between a legally downloaded file and a pirated copy? Or will you start suing Sunfly users just because you can??

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HarringtonLaw wrote:
Pssst--Chip--"Earmuffs," okay?

Got 'em....
(ear muffs are for cold weather... it's not cold anymore. Did you mean "earplugs?")

HarringtonLaw wrote:
MadMusicOne, you're going to get me in trouble with Chip again. But I'm used to it.

Here's the deal...there is nothing wrong with playing your original discs using the CD drive on your computer. When you do that, though, you're going to make it harder on my investigators to filter you out of the process. My investigators are well trained and good at what they do. They rarely get "made"--in fact, I've never known one to be "made," and I've done a few dozen myself and have never been "made," either. And a lot of the information they gather standing two feet from you.


That's right! They might not see you using a disc when they are "two feet from you."

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However, that's not always possible. What I'm concerned about is that they will see your computer, and see the SC logo come up, and yet not pick up that you've put a disc in. On the other hand, if they see a disc player--and they know what disc players look like--on your table, they're going to pay special attention to whether you're playing from it.

But remember that "they are very good at what they do."

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There is a risk, however slight, no matter how careful we train them to be, that they will mistake your setup for playing from media-shifted copies.

And that spells; L-A-W-S-U-I-T

But don't worry, once you're sued, your audit will only cost $500.00 and then they will simply drop the suit when they get around to it and the world will be right again. (did I forget to mention that they just might sue you venue too?) These are all simple mistakes that can easily and quickly be cleared up and you'll be back in business in no time.

HarringtonLaw wrote:
So if you'd like to tamp down that risk, what I suggest--if you're going to play discs through your computer--is that you do something to tip off the investigator as to how you do it.

Because it's your risk, and while the investigators are good, they're not THAT good.... right?

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It could be a sheet in the front of your book that says "All Sound Choice tracks are played from original discs" in big letters.

Because little letters might be overlooked.
HarringtonLaw wrote:
Or you could make an effort to be more conspicuous about putting in the discs.

Might I suggest that you slowly and carefully wave it in front of you patrons each time you're about to put one in your machine?
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Or keep your discs up on the table. Or whatever other thing you might be comfortable with. What you do is up to you, and if some suggestion I have doesn't work for you, don't use it.


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(Chip, you can take the earmuffs off now.)

Thanks, they were getting hot anyway.

Just as a reminder; you forgot to tell what to do in case a patron hands you an SC disc to play... Which includes a log sheet complete with that patron's contact information in the unlikely event that any member of the crack investigative squad inadvertently doesn't see a disc.... Mr. Harrington will tell you that he did have a lawsuit against a KJ who couldn't prove it was a patron's disc,

Just doing my part to be helpful because sometimes this information can get so confusing that it needs to be translated to English.

Carry on...


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As for a customer bringing in their own disc, Is it really hard to say Suzie is going to sing "Goodbye Earl" off her own disc?

I say that anyway just so people don't think I have that song/version - if I don't.

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....In reality, I do wish they would throw the book at every pirate out there!


so do i, but it doesn't seem to be happening. I am still watching a 7 rig pirate running week after week that was reported face to face with Kurt himself.
i wonder what percentage of the sued are just media shifters and not PIRATES

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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
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....In reality, I do wish they would throw the book at every pirate out there!


so do i, but it doesn't seem to be happening. I am still watching a 7 rig pirate running week after week that was reported face to face with Kurt himself.
i wonder what percentage of the sued are just media shifters and not PIRATES


.....I understand what you're saying. I thought they had done a couple of sweeps in the Phoenix area? I do wonder how many KJ's (those that actual do have the legit CDG's and have media-shifted their product) but haven't gone through the voluntary audits that are out there?


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Hey Mr. Harrington,
...I just wanted to thank you for replying to my question concerning the use of SC CDG's in my laptop and the chance of an SC Investigator not being able to possible see me playing SC CDG's. In the next couple of weeks I hope to decide which direction I will take as it's obvious that I have several choices. Also, I do appreciate the comments and opinions of others here. Good Luck to all!

...Thanks Again!


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