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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:01 pm 
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doowhatchulike wrote:
...and how are the consumers supposed to separate the "wheat from the chaff" in this scenario? All this shifting of property and rights, and not knowing the legitimacy of said property and rights, etc., etc., etc........it truly is a daunting situation.

Simple, as so many other kj's like to say - don't use them and you have nothing to worry about.
Or use the discs only.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:13 pm 
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Lonman wrote:
doowhatchulike wrote:
...and how are the consumers supposed to separate the "wheat from the chaff" in this scenario? All this shifting of property and rights, and not knowing the legitimacy of said property and rights, etc., etc., etc........it truly is a daunting situation.

Simple, as so many other kj's like to say - don't use them and you have nothing to worry about.
Or use the discs only.


Many believe there could be possible issues with even THIS scenario...unless "nothing to worry about" simply means not getting sued, or at best not SUCCESSFULLY sued. I don't know if getting something started about the "legality" (and I am using that word in its simplest, most general definition) of commercial karaoke would be beneficial, but at this point, it seems that convincing one's self that something is okay is good enough...guess that can apply to a lot of areas in life...


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I do find it a bit concerning that they announced a kick-off date, and then rescinded it. It is not too often you get a second chance at a first impression, and then blow that too...lol


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But none consist of any of the owners of CB, so they didn't morph into anything. New owners altogether, new entity. So they bought (or tookover) the trademark and took over the litigation on their own behalf.



Debi and Norbert may be out, but you may wish to double check that, and other CB personnel still involved- not that it matters. Very few would believe that the timing of the dissolution of legally beleaguered CB and the forming of DT/PR was coincidental.....

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I do believe "I" picked up on the irony and sarcasm intended here...to believe there is not some connection here, and a distasteful one at that, would seem very naive...


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Lonman wrote:
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many companies "morph"(as you put it) into more than 2 or 3.....look at banks or airlines for many examples


But how many morph from a company that was being pursued heavily on the legal front into a company who's sole purpose is to litigate? That's why this "morph" is dripping with irony. :lol:

But none consist of any of the owners of CB, so they didn't morph into anything. New owners altogether, new entity. So they bought (or tookover) the trademark and took over the litigation on their own behalf.


New owners? Really?

From: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=24509&p=339569&hilit=+investors#p339569
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PR and DT are owned by people who were investors in CB, who took security interests in CB's assets, and who foreclosed on those security interests, taking the assets in order to protect their investments. PR and DT were formed to hold and exploit those assets. The principals of CB are not owners of PR or DT. CB is not "in business" although the entity that owned the CB business may still exist.


I think the word "investor" has been used as a distraction because as KJs we aren't supposed to be smart enough to figure out anything as complicated as this.

Aren't you an investor in your own business? If you have no other investors, you have invested in a 100% interest. If you have other investors, then you own less than 100% and somebody else owns the rest.

Try convincing any investor they are not owners in the entity in which they have invested... especially an investor that can "foreclose" and pull out their interests when they see fit resulting in the end of the company. It sounds like the "owner" was merely a "figure-head" for these investors and the true power behind these companies are these "investors".

Same investors - Same product - Same tactics - Different name - Same company

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I just have a hunch that there will be no Cloud Pro untill all those thousands of chartbuster disks are exhausted on E-Bay
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