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ok, i can buy that

as did SC until they had to sell to pay bills. as for the shell game, don't know.
PHM is sing it now. "sound-a-like recordings can be found on many projects ranging from independent and major filmmakers such as Universal Studios, on television shows for MTV and others, as well as karaoke products for companies such as Stellar Records, Sing It Now, All Hits, American Gold, UK Karaoke, Dangerous, Top Hits Monthly, Country Hits Monthly, Rising Star, Memorex, and many more. Pop Hits Monthly studio musicians are some of the finest in the world drawing from a vast talent pool of session players from Boston, Providence, Nashville, New York and the surrounding areas."

they also have a studio and also make custom tracks. Like PHM/Stellar, All-Star is Audiostream.

we have been told many times, piracy did this to SC, but not the others apparently.

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Still for the Affordable Care Act to be a success 7 million must be enrolled by March of this year. It cannot be all Elderly and Medicare but young healthy people must be enrolled as well. I don't know how many subscribers are needed to make Cloud fly but it has to be more than barely over 100, the last number I've seen thrown out here. I think it is a good analogy since both systems have a penalty to encourage individuals to sign up. With the health insurance it is an added tax fee, with Cloud the threat of a possible legal suit. I think in both cases a simpler solution should be used, in the case of health care for all a single payer system would be better. Most of the other major industrial nations have such a single payer system. In the case of the karaoke industry a simple operator's license to allow hosts to practice their trade, the fees paid for the license could be used to compensate the manus for their losses.

Actually that 100 host figure was supplied by Cloud when they released their list of vetted subscribers, of which the former CB certified hosts were not listed, remember? I thought the whole idea of this legal process was to instill fear in hosts that they might risk a legal suit, unless the manus using the legal process acknowledged the hosts had complied with their rules for using their product. The whole purpose of the legal process and all the hype that goes with it is to drive sales and subscriptions, without it not enough product would be sold or used. I think it is a very good analogy because both systems are trying to change people's habits, and to encourage them to support various new systems.

I think it is time for some one to ask - Are you just plain stupid?

The ~100 number counts only the Pro subscribers. They have not disclosed the number of regular consumer subscribers which is their real bread and butter.

Karaoke Hosts have never been the major source of karaoke music purchases for any karaoke company. The every day consumers (our singers) are. It boggles my mind that you can't extrapolate that from the available data given how long you claim to have been involved with karaoke.



You have never made a good analogy on these forums. Ever.



Again, please see my question above. What in the world makes you think that karaoke hosts will pay a license fee (which would have to be a recurring cost) when they complain about having to pay for an audit? Given that the bulk of the piracy and theft is performed by non-KJ's (our singers), why should karaoke hosts foot the bill on their behalf?

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Does that mean the legal process of both manus using it Chris is a huge failure? I mean regular consumer subscriber's are really not under the gun as far as legal actions. Most of the illegal hard drives are in the hands of private libraries, I don't see why a regular consumer subscriber would pay monthly for a service if they have access to hard drives they can get for a couple of hundred dollars. Those everyday consumers you are talking about are the ones who stopped buying the manus products, that is when the market for product collapsed, and both SC and CB started looking around for someone to shake down, the commercial host that is out there and visible. I think it is plain stupid to think otherwise, given the actions of the legal process manus.

Really Chris the hosts are already being asked to foot the bill already and not just for other pirates hosts but for your precious consumer pirates as well. They are paying directly either having to subscribe and license product from defunct former viable manus, or going through the hassle and humiliation of an audit. Just like the Affordable Health Act there will be winners and losers. There are some that would say any solution will to be to the disadvantage of one group or another. In any other profession a person has to have a piece of paper, a diploma, a certificate, to operate your car you have to pay a license fee. The operator license fee would be a cost of doing business, and would be deductible from your taxes, like having to buy new equipment for your karaoke service.

By the way Chris the consumer subscribers to Cloud, you have an exact number of how many there are? Also don't they pay a much cheaper fee for the service than the pro hosts?

Today the ads show a 500 gig external @ $39.00

I might pick up a few..

I do not believe the current legal process has been a success and I have said so for a long while now.



Why did you buy your karaoke music instead of a cheap hard drive?



waitaminute......when did the karaoke market collapse?



waitanotherminute..... SC stopped producing product and then aggressively pursued legal action against pirates and thieves. Chartbuster stayed in production almost until they closed their doors and never aggressively pursued pirates. Digitrax has PR,LLC, but they don't seem to be very aggressive thus far.

We all know that suing consumers is not a viable option. But suing hosts is. That does not compare at all to having KJ's pay a license fee and giving a portion of that to the manufacturers to offset piracy fees effectively subsidizing the much larger scale of piracy occurring at the consumer level.



What bill is being taken on by the hosts??!??!!?!?!?!?!??!?! The only charge is the audit fee of which Sound Choice is still taking a loss on!!!

When did I say "precious" in relation to consumers? What do you even mean by that?!?!

Subscription fees are what ANYONE would have to pay to access the service!
License fees (GEM) are what ANYONE would have to pay to use the product!
This is no different then having to pay money to buy a disc!

And what KJ has ever stated they were humiliated by their audit? Seriously...name ONE!



OMG....what the F does the ACA have to do with karaoke piracy? Can you not make a point at all without attaching some arbitrary, non-related subject? Especially one you have an obvious bias against? Your "analogies" suck. They don't make sense. They serve no purpose other than to be a smoke screen for your inability to form a reasonable, self-standing argument.



If that is all it is, then what purpose does it serve? It would just mean that every KJ has a piece of paper saying they are allowed to do what we have been doing for almost 30 years. It would not combat piracy. Since KJ's are only a fraction of the karaoke music consumers in the US, it would not be a profit center for the manufacturers. There is nothing that would prevent Joe Pirate from getting his license and continue stealing product.



If I take a page from your playbook, I don't need any accurate information at all. I could just make it up and I should expect you to believe me.

No. I do not know how many consumers subscribers there are. I am making a somewhat informed guess based on my many years of working with other cloud services. Cloud services are a volume business. Consumers pay less, but there are orders of magnitude more consumers then KJ's. Even without my experience in cloud services, it should be easy to figure out how it works.

Seriously. Stop trolling. Stop being a complete and utter buffoon. Or......get some help for whatever mental ailment causes you to not be able to figure this stuff out on your own. It is both laughable and sad.

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I think you are the one needing help Chris. There is really no real war on piracy or the pirates would be put out of business for good. The last thing the legal process manus want to do is put pirates out of business. They want them licensing their product or subscribing to their service. Just like the idea that EMI doesn't want to put SC out of business, but wants to make money off them. When you consider how few hosts bother to come on this forum or even worry at all about things discussed here, it makes you wonder if the a certain extent we all have a problem.

P.S. Taking a page out of my playbook? They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, does that mean you might be going a little crazy yourself.

LR, you make a good point here. There really are very few of us that frequent KS, and I personally have told dozens about it and they have no interest in participating. For the most part I think most hosts just want to do their thing and not worry about what is going on..... kind of the "head in the sand" type. We all go about our lives in the way we feel passionate about, and that is what makes us feel good about getting up in the morning. Being active in KS is VERY time consuming, and I bet we all could do something way more productive. There are many occasions that I feel I have helped someone, or I have personally learned something, but those moments are way out weighed by the moments of wasting time.

Maybe that is why so many KJs don't participate, they just don't have the time, desire or care.

I think we are done here..