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audioprola
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 Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:46 pm |
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Dr. Fred Pm me if u want to sell all your disc's.
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jclaydon
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:56 pm |
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audioprola wrote: Dr. Fred Pm me if u want to sell all your disc's. othe Geez man, are you secretly one of the Rockerfellers or something? I guess you won't stop until you have the ENTIRE soundchoice collection of discs. Owning a complete spotlight set not good enough for you? Who me? Jealous and bitter? What EVER would give you that idea.. *lol* cheers -James
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rumbolt
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:46 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: CafeBar wrote: Rumbolt, I'm not bashing you.
I agreed with the Certification program, and intended to do it as soon as I built my new system--right now I'm disc-based. If you look at the 'Contacting Sound Choice' thread, you'll see that I was one of the folks sticking up for Sound Choice's right to recover their lost IP, even if it posed an incidental cost or inconvenience to legitimate KJs. I took a fair amount of grief from other posters for that.
You're overlooking the simple fact that Sound Choice is keeping me from making normal use of property that I fairly purchased. It isn't just my opinion that it's normal use, it's the standard of the industry, and indeed the opinion of Sound Choice until this month.
The HELP program is not a replacement for the certification program, as you're implying. The certification program charged nothing for reasonable use of the discs, which SC has acknowledged by its own statements and policies. The small charge for the audit was a reasonable cost for legitimate jocks to separate themselves from pirates and avoid the inconvenience of being named in litigation. The media-shifting of discs has gone overnight from a free, normal use to a very expensive ongoing service, without the addition of a single benefit.
So, yes, I'm getting screwed. Karaoke isn't a big part of my business (unlike you, I won't soon be walking around in my "Proudly Certified Sound Choice KJ" T-shirt and ball cap, because I actually have a life). I can simply quit using karaoke, donate my system and library to charity, and not be materially affected by it, but I don't like being cheated and I don't like being shaken down.
And unlike you, I sympathize with the people whose livelihoods are being affected by this scheme. People who support it by paying the HELP fees are behaving unethically, in my opinion, because they're further enabling both the HELP program and the piracy. Before you do anything drastic, I'd encourage you to check your private messages. As I've posted elsewhere, we are reopening the certification program in a few days (as soon as we can get the infrastructure built). Jim, Did not see any pm :/
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Cueball
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:14 am |
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rumbolt wrote:
Jim, Did not see any pm :/
And why would you? Mr. Harrington posted that to CafeBar, not you.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:09 am |
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cueball wrote: rumbolt wrote:
Jim, Did not see any pm :/
And why would you? Mr. Harrington posted that to CafeBar, not you. This is true. My message was directed to CafeBar. The content, however, isn't a secret. I was just letting CafeBar know that we were reopening the certification program.
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Dr Fred
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:39 am |
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No, I have no interest in selling my disks! It is not only the money involved, I have spent several hundred hours tracking down the disks, as I started relatively late about 4 years ago trying for as complete a set as possible get. IT would have been a lot easier if I started trying to track all of the disks down so long after most of them went out of print.
It involved buying disks from at least 30 different sources (and that counts amazon and ebay as a single source each!, even though I bought from about 20 different people at those sites). It involved searching in different countries, as I found that some disks were sitting on websites in Portugal, Australia, England, France, Sweden, Canada, Russia, New Zealand and Germany (often in different languages). Not to mention reading through the lists of 100+ other online stores that did not have any disks I still needed!
I spent over a 3 year period where I checked if e-bay or amazon had some of the disks I was still missing nearly every week!.
Still I am missing 18 spotlight disks, and I hope to someday buy them.
I did at times spend over $100 on individual disks although that was my usual maximum. I remember being outbid on at least a dozen occasions when prices climbed over $200 for single disks!
So that is ANOTHER reason why I am sort of upset that any KJ can obtain a complete set of SC songs by just browsing the web and paying a modest fee. I still run a karaoke show every week.
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rumbolt
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:41 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: cueball wrote: rumbolt wrote:
Jim, Did not see any pm :/
And why would you? Mr. Harrington posted that to CafeBar, not you. This is true. My message was directed to CafeBar. The content, however, isn't a secret. I was just letting CafeBar know that we were reopening the certification program. My Bad!
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Karaokeinsider
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:51 pm |
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Quote: This is why I continue to urge ANYONE who is thinking about this program to seek legal counsel BEFORE they do it. For one thing, they do not even have a catalog any longer. It was sold to Stingray. They have a few songs they made after the sale. Secondly, this is over a dead product. Take all the information to a qualified lawyer and pay to get some sound advice. It may cost you now but it could save you a bunch down the road. I agree with that 100% SC/Phoenix doesn't own anything besides the trademarked SC logo. You are responsible to get the rights to use the music. SC and Phoenix are no longer licensors of the karaoke catalog from Stingray as of December 2014. Mr. Harrington can correct me if I'm wrong. The GEM agreement makes it clear that they are not licensing you for the music because they have no right to do so. So if Stingray decides to go after those GEM holders, it's between you and Stingray. 2. OWNERSHIP. You acknowledge and agree that the ownership of all Media, including all right, title, and interest therein, belongs to Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC and will remain with Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC throughout the term of this Agreement. You also acknowledge that all rights in the Media and the Content not specifically granted to you by operation of law or expressly granted through this Agreement are reserved to Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC or to third parties, as applicable. You further acknowledge and agree that the ownership of all Content—including the entire right, title, and interest therein, including copyrights, trademarks, trade dress and other intellectual property rights—belongs to Phoenix Entertainment Partners, LLC or the respective rights holders of the Content. In particular, copyright in the underlying musical works (the composition rights) belongs to the original authors or their assignees and are reserved to them. This Agreement does not grant you any rights with respect to those copyright holders. We are unable to grant you any particular license or resolve any claim on behalf of those copyright holders or any other third party. You are responsible for obtaining any necessary licenses or permissions prior to any public performance of the underlying musical works.
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MIKE D
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:08 am |
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Dr. Fred Pm me a list of your missing disc I think I can help u out they have 8 years of dust on them 
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The bottom line is that phoenix is essentially no different than Piracy Recovery. That is, a corporate entity created specifically to generate an income based on litigation and intimidation- period.
They can longer even pretend to be any part of the actual karaoke industry- they merely feed off of it like a tick.
There is no longer a way to even claim the sham of "fighting piracy" - they no longer have a horse in the race. There is no more "recouping losses", because Phoenix has never suffered any losses.
They are what they are, and it's totally out there now.
While it is certainly up to the individual KJ to decide whether to offer such a company their financial support, not only are any possible benefits negated by SC/Phoenix's own actions, but said KJs would also be supporting a negative impactor to their own industry.
Also, there is without question, a trust and credibility issue. Who is to say that they won't try to change "the rules" AGAIN down the road for even more income.
For those who simply MUST use the product, playing from disc is the ONLY sensible thing to do. If carrying them is so very hard ( I carry 1800 discs on one arm with absolutely no problem ) then maybe a visit to the gym is in order. Jim claims 16,500 individual tracks. If that's the case, and all are on Spotlights, that's just 1100 discs even if you own every single one. That's 700 LESS than I carry on one arm.
Please keep in mind that my statements above pertain to PHOENIX. Having transferred all useable assets away, it is my opinion that the SC/Slep-Tone corporate remnant will be kept around only until or if EMI wins the suit- and Kurt hoping that he has protected his assets. On the other hand, if EMI doesn't win, I think Kurt might transfer everything back to Slep-Tone just to keep the original brand. An ego thing.
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