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stolen, no i would not allow that and would make them pay. they are the ones costing me money.

copied to a drive, yes i would allow that and if audit were necessary, the ones stealing (see answer above) would be the ones paying for said audit. the 1:1 customer would get a big thank you, a free disc or two (paid for by the thieves again, see above answer) for their time. take the SC approach and do the opposite. fine the thieves up the yin yang and let the customers (customers are people who pay for the product or service) go about their business as they have cost me exactly $0.00. the only reason an audit is necessary now is because of the thieves from answer one, so they should be the ones to pay for it.

misused, don't understand how they could misuse unless they stole it.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Correction here Lisah..... When purchasing from Amazon.com, please note that Amazon.com sells products directly, AND Amazon.com has individuals and other Vendors (who you can purchase from through Amazon's website) may also sell the same product. If you are NOT purchasing DIRECTLY from Amazon.com, then you might being purchasing a counterfeit/illegal copy of the product (depending who you are purchasing from).

Yes, I said 'most likely' and I should have been more clear in my wording. Karaoke Warehouse is a legitimate site in my opinion. Amazon is not as secure since frequently you are buying from individuals. Must be careful always. Too bad people just can't be trusted to do the right thing.

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SoundChoice Certification coming soon!

Paradigm, exactly how will you do it without going into the hole. Will you take someone's word, investigate, and where would all the cash to do this come from?

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You can be strange but not a stranger

The bottom line is that SC- and now Piracy Recovery- are what are known as "Parasite" companies.

They produce no product that benefits anyone.

They offer no service of benefit to anyone.

They threaten ( but rarely follow up on- and no case gets tried before a judge for obvious reasons) lawsuits in hopes of intimidating "settlements " out of unknowing KJs- that is their business plan.

Yes, I've seen posts from Athena and a few others about improvements in their "areas". However, an example would be Florida. Yup, I believe that her work area has been positively affected- for NOW (They'll be back two-fold), but others in Florida, which has been swept more often then the Chicago baseball teams, say that the only difference is that the venues are being annoyed( as I predicted they would). Venue problems seem to be popping up everywhere.

In short, SC and PR are not only parasites, but viruses as well.

One other thing. As glad as I am to have Jim Harrington here- and as appreciative of some of his information as I am- I do not believe for one minute that his presence is altruistic.

I think we have a few thousand members. SC claims that 95% of all KJs are potential targets for suits. That means that even if there are only 2000 members here, they consider 1900 of us potential targets.

That's a very nice base for targeted propaganda in hopes of forced sales or voluntary settlements ( which can include forced sales.

While I'm sure those on the "Pro- SC methods" side of these debates would certainly disagree with me, I'm not really trying to convince anyone. My true goal is only to push folks to THINK and RESEARCH THOROUGHLY before they act.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

start close to home, no need to travel, and if 95% of hosts are using stolen tracks (as per SC) those are the ones who will pay. the only change is that instead of making the customers (the ones BUYING music) pay for it, the 95% who stole it pay, not just get a GEM and a license to continue.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

There's a novel idea - just make them pay for the tracks they have on their hard drive, even at a dollar a track it levels the field and doesn't certify them like the folks who paid upfront....

The GEM set should be for voluntary audits only.

$1 a track would still be a "steal" if you compare to buying SC spotlights years ago ($28+/each). Or even now at $18-$20

Again how do you ascertain who is a pirate or a shifter? Ask them? Have them show you their discs? What do you do when they tell you to go pound sand? Sort of like how SC started out? It sounds easy until you put it into practice.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

so what you are suggesting is that you and i should pay for SC to go and sell a GEM to all the pirates that don't fight back?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

We use original discs, we don't pay anything. You want to media shift, then there is a cost. It's that simple.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

Correct, and that cost should be the cost of the sofware to convert to mp3+g, it's that simple

Only "media shifters" should fight, pirates know they are guilty so why should they?

the fee is not for media shifting, it is to distinguish us from those that have stolen it. let those that stole it pay the tab.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

You are in Canada. Why do I doubt that SC has approached you for an audit or even to say hi.....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

That may well be the biggest lie posted on the forum Not yours, but in general). The fee is most certainly directed toward media shifters- whether they accidentally catch an actual pirate ( track thief) or not. Please keep in mind that ALL suits are targeted toward media shifters NOT pirates ( those who steal music).

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

So Joe, since you seem to be the expert, how many suits has SC launched, how many settled, how many dropped (other than being ODB or shown as being 1:1), how many out of business, etc.

SC or anyone else is more than welcome to attend any show we do.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

Incorrect. One can't be considered a media-shifter unless they actually shift the music. Downloading from an unauthorized source or buying a hard drive from an unauthorized source with already shifted content is just plain theft (piracy) and thus a large number of the suits are indeed targeted toward pirates.

A better statement would be - "ALL cases are targeted toward those that are believed to be using media-shifted content."

-Chris

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-Chris

Chris, I buy my tracks via "downloading" which means they have already been shifted and I don't consider myself a pirate or a theift

Good Catch.....my post is now updated for clarification.

-Chris

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-Chris