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Bazza
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:07 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: I did not think it was possible for a person to be this obtuse. Oh. It's possible alright. Happens a lot around here.
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chrisavis
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:45 am |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: chrisavis wrote: Pardon me, but this is all you have ever done. You simply guess or make something up, then post it.
Now you want to jump on Mr. Harrington for something that everyone except you understands was just an offhand example? You want to use his example as leverage to back him into a corner? About something you never were and never will be impacted by?
Why? Do you really have nothing better to do then to come here and bring this forum down with your gibberish?
-Chris Pardon me Chris but it was Jim that threw a number out there and wasn't willing to back it up. I didn't mean to back a lawyer into a corner, I mean it isn't like that is something they don't do in court, right? I'm sorry if you think the old man is picking on the corporate lawyer. It would seem to me if he is going to make a statement he needs to back it up. After all he is supposed to be the responsible one, right? I seriously don't know how you can make statements like that if you have any mirrors in your home. I am actually becoming concerned for your mental well-being because I don't know how any person who has full control of their mental faculties can say the things you do. You really should have yourself checked out. The only other explanation is that you say what you say on purpose, in which case I still recommend you seek help because either way, there just seems to be something wrong with you. Either you can't help yourself, or you are a troll or perhaps you are both. Until just now it used to get under my skin. Now I just feel sorry for you. -Chris
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:38 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Really doesn't matter which method is being used - a hard drive is a hard drive - the same storage device, a media shift is still a media shift beit computer, laptop, or hard drive player. It's all the same thing in the end. I don't agree Lonnie many PC hosts have said that the HD player is not a computer and can't be counted with PC's. Just like the disc based operators can't be lumped in with the PC hosts. You even make a distinction between the different delivery systems. Jim wants us to believe that the investigations that were conducted in a proper manner. It is even doubted that any files ever existed as far as APS was concerned, they never produced any even though they stood to recover money from SC's legal process.
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timberlea
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:50 pm |
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"Mama said, Stupid is as stupid does."- Forrest Gump
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timberlea
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:04 pm |
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Here is an example of irrelevant in the law. We had a client convicted of second degree murder. One of the contentions was did he have one knife or two knives. The presiding judge stated it didn't matter whether the knife entered into evidence was the knife that was first brandished by our client and taken away by a bystander or whether a second knife the the client brandished moments later, and after the murder the client disposed of it was actually used or not, our client stabbed the victim to death. In other words it doesn't matter whether one knife or a dozen knives were brandished and entered into evidence, that fact that our client stabbed the victim was the only thing relevant.
So it doesn't matter what the percentage of laptops, HD players, desk tops or an other device that can copy music into it are used in a show, they fact they were used is the only thing relevant in law.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:10 pm |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: I don't agree Lonnie many PC hosts have said that the HD player is not a computer and can't be counted with PC's. Just like the disc based operators can't be lumped in with the PC hosts. You even make a distinction between the different delivery systems. Jim wants us to believe that the investigations that were conducted in a proper manner. It is even doubted that any files ever existed as far as APS was concerned, they never produced any even though they stood to recover money from SC's legal process. A hard drive player IS a computer. I don't think anyone ever denied that - I know I haven't. I think all have stated & agreed that they are very limited as to what they can do as compared to an actual computer based software. But essentially it uses a hard drive which is computer based. So again it doesn't matter whether they investigated a computer or hard drive player - the result is the same as far as media shifting from the original disc (or flat out downloading illegally).
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chrisavis
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:58 pm |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: 8) What's the matter Chris your hero having a tough time? It's ok for SC to put others on the spot when questioned themselves they don't have to answer any pointed questions. It's that old double standard again poking through isn't it. My concern for your mental well being has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else but you. -Chris
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:01 pm |
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Lonman wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: I don't agree Lonnie many PC hosts have said that the HD player is not a computer and can't be counted with PC's. Just like the disc based operators can't be lumped in with the PC hosts. You even make a distinction between the different delivery systems. Jim wants us to believe that the investigations that were conducted in a proper manner. It is even doubted that any files ever existed as far as APS was concerned, they never produced any even though they stood to recover money from SC's legal process. A hard drive player IS a computer. I don't think anyone ever denied that - I know I haven't. I think all have stated & agreed that they are very limited as to what they can do as compared to an actual computer based software. But essentially it uses a hard drive which is computer based. So again it doesn't matter whether they investigated a computer or hard drive player - the result is the same as far as media shifting from the original disc (or flat out downloading illegally). While the HD player may have similar traits to a PC it really isn't one. If it isn't different Lonnie can I describe by self as a former PC based host? As Bazza says it's a magic box. I don't think that is a bad thing that they are limited. Your PC with all it's bells and whistles is complicated and has more things that can go wrong with it. Sometimes simple is better, in terms of reliability like I have stated in nine years neither one of my HD players have let me down.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:31 pm |
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It's only different in the fact that it cannot do computer tasks - it IS a computer based player. That's it. Limited is fine (not for me, I like the added luxuries) - but it's still a computer based player. It uses the same type of digital files - you have to rip from the disc and store on a hard drive (only done with computer). Calling yourself a former PC host - whatever you'd like. I don't even call myself a PC host, I am a karaoke host that uses a digital format ie computer, your digital format was a computer based stand alone player - still a computer. As I recall some of the hard drive players actually use a Windows OS platform - that is only done on a computer based player. Still refuse to believe for one moment you never ever had one issue - even hard drives glitch on occasion.
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timberlea
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:35 pm |
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LR is just being obstinate. Arguing for arguings' sake. Nothing we say is going to make him see the light that it doesn't matter.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:00 am |
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Lonman wrote: It's only different in the fact that it cannot do computer tasks - it IS a computer based player. That's it. Limited is fine (not for me, I like the added luxuries) - but it's still a computer based player. It uses the same type of digital files - you have to rip from the disc and store on a hard drive (only done with computer). Calling yourself a former PC host - whatever you'd like. I don't even call myself a PC host, I am a karaoke host that uses a digital format ie computer, your digital format was a computer based stand alone player - still a computer. As I recall some of the hard drive players actually use a Windows OS platform - that is only done on a computer based player. Still refuse to believe for one moment you never ever had one issue - even hard drives glitch on occasion. I don't see why you would have a problem believing that I have had no operational problems with the machine. I had a Panasonic color T.V. that played fine for 25 years before it finally went down for the count, then of course it only had one function.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:39 am |
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timberlea wrote: LR is just being obstinate. Arguing for arguings' sake. Nothing we say is going to make him see the light that it doesn't matter. If being obstinate means not agreeing with the majority then I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't believe we should have two standards of justice one for the manus and another for everyone else. I don't feel that hosts should be fighting over a shrinking karaoke market like dogs over a bone. The light you offer is a karaoke industry dominated by a few companies. Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. I don't see things as many do but then I'm sure I'm not the only one, only the most vocal.
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chrisavis
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:18 am |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: timberlea wrote: LR is just being obstinate. Arguing for arguings' sake. Nothing we say is going to make him see the light that it doesn't matter. If being obstinate means not agreeing with the majority then I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't believe we should have two standards of justice one for the manus and another for everyone else. I don't feel that hosts should be fighting over a shrinking karaoke market like dogs over a bone. The light you offer is a karaoke industry dominated by a few companies. Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. I don't see things as many do but then I'm sure I'm not the only one, only the most vocal. According to Merriam-Webster - obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasionIn short, you will not change your mind. Period. Regardless of the evidence. Period. You fit the bill perfectly and this highlighted statement by you is a clear indication. The Lone Ranger wrote: Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. We can debate the viability of SC. But there is no debate that Digitrax is absolutely viable if not quite successful. They actively make new product, they have innovated with cloud services, they have worked with other labels to make 3rd party product available through KaraokeCloud. They are producing new hardware products as well. They are a viable company. But you refuse to recognize that they are. That is the very definition of obstinate.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:44 pm |
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chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: timberlea wrote: LR is just being obstinate. Arguing for arguings' sake. Nothing we say is going to make him see the light that it doesn't matter. If being obstinate means not agreeing with the majority then I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't believe we should have two standards of justice one for the manus and another for everyone else. I don't feel that hosts should be fighting over a shrinking karaoke market like dogs over a bone. The light you offer is a karaoke industry dominated by a few companies. Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. I don't see things as many do but then I'm sure I'm not the only one, only the most vocal. According to Merriam-Webster - obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasionIn short, you will not change your mind. Period. Regardless of the evidence. Period. You fit the bill perfectly and this highlighted statement by you is a clear indication. The Lone Ranger wrote: Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. We can debate the viability of SC. But there is no debate that Digitrax is absolutely viable if not quite successful. They actively make new product, they have innovated with cloud services, they have worked with other labels to make 3rd party product available through KaraokeCloud. They are producing new hardware products as well. They are a viable company. But you refuse to recognize that they are. That is the very definition of obstinate. obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion OH MY FRICKIN' GOD!!!! HELLO KETTLE. THIS IS POT. YOU'RE BLACK!
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chrisavis
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:07 pm |
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BruceFan4Life wrote: chrisavis wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: timberlea wrote: LR is just being obstinate. Arguing for arguings' sake. Nothing we say is going to make him see the light that it doesn't matter. If being obstinate means not agreeing with the majority then I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't believe we should have two standards of justice one for the manus and another for everyone else. I don't feel that hosts should be fighting over a shrinking karaoke market like dogs over a bone. The light you offer is a karaoke industry dominated by a few companies. Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. I don't see things as many do but then I'm sure I'm not the only one, only the most vocal. According to Merriam-Webster - obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasionIn short, you will not change your mind. Period. Regardless of the evidence. Period. You fit the bill perfectly and this highlighted statement by you is a clear indication. The Lone Ranger wrote: Especially when the two companies that want to dominate the industry are no longer even viable companies, SC and CB/DTE/PR. We can debate the viability of SC. But there is no debate that Digitrax is absolutely viable if not quite successful. They actively make new product, they have innovated with cloud services, they have worked with other labels to make 3rd party product available through KaraokeCloud. They are producing new hardware products as well. They are a viable company. But you refuse to recognize that they are. That is the very definition of obstinate. obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion obstinate - perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion OH MY FRICKIN' GOD!!!! HELLO KETTLE. THIS IS POT. YOU'RE BLACK! If had actually been paying attention to my time here, I have change my opinion about several things. I just have a tendency to ignore irrational gibberish and stupidity. In those cases, there is nothing worthwhile to sway my opinion, so I don't. -Chris
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Bazza
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:48 pm |
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BruceFan4Life wrote: OH MY FRICKIN' GOD!!!!
HELLO KETTLE. THIS IS POT. YOU'RE BLACK! It's no surprise you would stick up for a fellow troll.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:20 am |
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Likewise I'm sure.
You two guys must really look cute in your cheerleading skirts.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:54 am |
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There is two sides to any debate currently I think one side is clearly on the decline. SC has suffered a string of legal defeats as of late, even their own agents APS have sold them out. In one court they have been described as instigators of shake down law suits. CAVS the company they had to pay told me that they were engaged in legal racketeering. They have not been able to reach an agreement with publishers to resume production of product, once their available stock is gone they will no longer be able use suits to drive sales. With no no production eventually their trademark will cease to be valid, and they will become freeware status material. As for CB/DTE/PR what is going on with them? Gretchen hasn't been on for awhile, how many hosts are signed up with Cloud? What happened to the renewed certification process that was going to start again? Oh that's right it's worthless since it's only good for one day, and if you want to be sure of being placed on their A list you have to subscribe to Cloud. Even their get tough policy in Tennessee with PR is going where right now? No more word about that since they filed their for show suit. These are two flawed and failed companies still trying to live off their glory days. The only reason anyone would support their efforts is because they hope in some way to benefit from any success they might have. The damage they do to the industry out weighs any good they might be doing. They should follow the example of other current viable karaoke manus realize that the cost of recovery will out weigh any money they get back, and start moving forward, if they ever plan on being viable in the future.
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timberlea
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:11 am |
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And in other news the Purple People Eater and the Loch Ness Monster devoured Xanadu while Elvis watched.
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