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 Post subject: Re: Legalites
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:29 pm 
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I would say the mark would make it more valuable as it is a authentication mark made by the manufacturer that it is in fact the "real deal".

I doubt many out there can tell the difference between an authentic Rolex, DKNY, and a sundry of other items out there that are being faked all the time.

I saw someone mentioning the value of vintage cars (love them) but I doubt many have completely original parts and none with factory installed tires.

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It is a rare show that I go to, if the tracks from 8125 are available (pirated or not), where at least one of them isn't played.

But I would be interested to know what you think the most important factor in 8125's cachet is.[/quote]

It's rare that I go to a show, and the track played by the KJ is not pirated......the cdg is rare.
If things haven't changed, I can get most, if not all of the songs on a custom cdg, for much less than buying 8125.
These tracks are available from other manus, and some are pretty darn good........some people on here would say even better(but not me)than SC.
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It is a rare show that I go to, if the tracks from 8125 are available (pirated or not), where at least one of them isn't played.

But I would be interested to know what you think the most important factor in 8125's cachet is.

Most important factor for me is the quality of the music. Top notch. I was using the Backstage disc until I was lucky enough to acquire the 8125. Difference is night & day. Even the Legends & Zoom have Eagles discs that are good, wouldn't say better in any respect - especially the Legends. For the songs that weren't available from SC, those brands would be 'top notch'.

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Catchet? I really didn't catch that. I was thinking more, why 8125 fetches such a high price if you can find one. I don't think someone pays $300 for the cdg, because the tracks sound so good.....which in my opinion, they do. Could you narrow down what you meant by catchet.


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That scenario would be different because if an audited KJ started using songs in their show that were not listed in their official SC public songbook, then they would be easily identified as a pirate. Therefore, post-audit verification is maintained.

I have several hundred songs I do not list in my books due to language restrictions in our club, but occasionally will allow someone to sing them if I know them & they will censor themselves. Doesn't mean piracy in that situation. Also I don't list duplicate songs, but still have them as otions for people to choose if they want.


Agreed, and adding to it: I don't know ANY hosts who's selection books are reprinted with the addition of every new disc obtained. Personally, I wait until 1000 songs are added before I reprint. So I always announce that if you don't see it, ask me. Nothing pirate about it.

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That scenario would be different because if an audited KJ started using songs in their show that were not listed in their official SC public songbook, then they would be easily identified as a pirate. Therefore, post-audit verification is maintained.

I have several hundred songs I do not list in my books due to language restrictions in our club, but occasionally will allow someone to sing them if I know them & they will censor themselves. Doesn't mean piracy in that situation. Also I don't list duplicate songs, but still have them as otions for people to choose if they want.


Agreed, and adding to it: I don't know ANY hosts who's selection books are reprinted with the addition of every new disc obtained. Personally, I wait until 1000 songs are added before I reprint. So I always announce that if you don't see it, ask me. Nothing pirate about it.

I agree, no kj could afford to reprint the books with every new addition. I know I can't afford to reprint the entire book with every addition, I do reprint and add my new songs - incorporating with the 'old' new songs (not listed in the main book) to the front of the book. But the reprint of the entire book is about a yearly event. For the most part - except for the language content or dups, if it isn't in the book, I don't have it.

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We don't have to worry about that, because when we get new music, we just add it to our data file on our Kiosk. New music gets instantly updated and is able to be selected.

And other than the cost of the music, it was free to add it to the database. I can't imagine how much extra I would have to spend every year if I had to reprint books.

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Yes, but there's still nothing like having a good karaoke song book, that you can take into the bathroom, sit down on the throne, and really experiece a good song selection. Haven't seen a kiosk to accomodate that deep thinking process yet.


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Yeah, and I'm having to reprint an entire book due to your sort.....


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I suspect that most hosts do what we do. We have the Master List on computer with ALL our discs on it and then the Artist/Title books which are edited from the Master List to take out a lot of doubles, triples, etc.

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Yeah, and I'm having to reprint an entire book due to your sort.....


better than trying to clean up a kiosk.... :)


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I have actually thought about trying a kiosk. Is there one that works with Karma?

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Karma recommends using songbooklive.. at first I thought 'no way.. not every one has a smartphone' but my boss's wife got one (she's not a techie AT ALL!! lol) and uses the internet all the time. I started watching my clientele.. and most have smart phones. (Iam the one behind the times!!) $11 per year.

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I would like to know if I have a hundred or so of SC discs and were in the process of buying a hundred or so more that I wanted to rip to a HD (haven't yet). Can I get an audit before I rip them to a HD?

Must I wait until I have all my discs ripped to the HD before you will grant me an audit and why?
Because I know it takes hours,days,weeks, even months to rip a large inventory.

I know you are going to say so we can check you HD and make sure that you do not have any illegal SC material on it, but what is keeping someone that has gone through the audit from obtaining illegal tracks once they pass the audit?

I'm not saying I would do this but the possibility exists.
You can check my HD if you want but it is empty


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Yeah, and I'm having to reprint an entire book due to your sort.....


better than trying to clean up a kiosk.... :)



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For: HarringtonLaw

I would like to know if I have a hundred or so of SC discs and were in the process of buying a hundred or so more that I wanted to rip to a HD (haven't yet). Can I get an audit before I rip them to a HD?

Must I wait until I have all my discs ripped to the HD before you will grant me an audit and why?
Because I know it takes hours,days,weeks, even months to rip a large inventory.

I know you are going to say so we can check you HD and make sure that you do not have any illegal SC material on it, but what is keeping someone that has gone through the audit from obtaining illegal tracks once they pass the audit?

I'm not saying I would do this but the possibility exists.
You can check my HD if you want but it is empty


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Thank You!


It turns out that the answer is a little more complicated than I had anticipated, but it's still manageable.

First, this is a separate process to use when you (a) have access to only one computer/hard drive, or (b) you are already using media-shifted SC material in your shows but have not finished the ripping yet. If you have access to store the content on a separate hard drive while you are waiting to complete the ripping and are not using media-shifted SC material in your shows, you should wait until the ripping is finished to begin the audit process.

Second, you may find it helpful to acquire the GEM series, which is already encoded in MP3G at 320 kbps (the maximum) and therefore only needs to be copied over to the hard drive, instead of ripping. But that is, of course, up to you.

WIth those caveats, here is the process:

1. Complete the audit paperwork as per usual and pay for the audit. Indicate on your paperwork that the media-shift is not completed yet and how many discs you have left to rip.

2. SC will send you a marking kit and assign a date for completion of the ripping based on the number of discs that you have indicated need to be ripped. This date should be reasonable but if you find that it isn't, communication is very, very important.

3. Mark the discs and send the marking system back with a list (by catalogue number) of the discs along with photos of the discs as proof of ownership and possession.

4. When you have completed ripping, contact SC to schedule the audit. SC will contact you when the deadline is getting close if they have not heard from you. It is your responsibility to complete the ripping by the deadline and to communicate early and often with SC if unforeseen problems arise.


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Second, you may find it helpful to acquire the GEM series, which is already encoded in MP3G at 320 kbps (the maximum) and therefore only needs to be copied over to the hard drive, instead of ripping. But that is, of course, up to you.


Ok harrington, This is why I feel SC and CB etc are really doing audits. RE SELLING OLD MUSIC. How many people can they sack to cough up 4500.00 Plus dollars

Lone there is so much good used disks cheap out there right now and even new on ebay, and cL. Yeah ripping sucks But installing every disk on gem series isnt that quick either. Not sure how many disks in that set but I bet alot


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