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he does currently handle the licensing for Stingray.

and Jim, here is why i am confused

" As you know, the publishers have the ability to control not only use but also distribution"

"Usage of all types is licensed by the publishers ONLY through the PROs."

distribution i get, want disc, get a disc license. want download, get a download license. but if they license pro use only through PRO's, and the PRO's are paid.....
you see what i mean?

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I am SOOOO F'ing tired of proving stuff to you people!!!

Read the DAMN E-mail!! Then read the address where it came from!!!


Hello,

I founded Sound Choice in 1985 along with my brother and partner Kurt Slep. We sold the catalog to Stingray music in 2007. I sold my interest in Sound Choice and now do all the specialty music licensing for Stingray.

W I know that music publishing rights are often confusing but he fundamental rights requested from the publishers are the reasons why The Karaoke Channel song downloads are not for commercial bar karaoke applications.

After the sale Sound Choice kept its rights to make CDG and the publishing that goes along with physical goods product and getting the karaoke synchronization license for commercial use. The CDG license has a built in commercial use component so that is why physical disks are automatically allowed to be sold and used in a commercial setting.

Stingray is not interested in the commercial KJ market and did not get the rights from the music publishers to sell or distribute karaoke tracks knowingly to the KJ commercial market. Stingray does not manufacture any physical goods product and therefore it has to request and pay for specifically additional fees for commercial use. The company decided not to pursue that route because after all it has Sound Choice as its commercial KJ licensee and therefore Sound Choice and its products have commercial use granted when you purchase the discs. Currently the only legal way to use Sound Choice/Stingray Music in a commercial bar setting is to buy the same songs that The Karaoke Channel has through Sound Choice or its network of distributors.

Again to be very clear I am sorry you are not able to buy individual downloads
for use in commercial applications under the Sound Choice / Stingray Music/ The Karaoke Channel brand name for commercial use.

To play by the rules you have to go to Sound Choice and by their disc as the current method. However without tipping my hand too much the KJ market has spoken loud and clear to Sound Choice and it's desire to buy single song downloads and it will be addressed in the coming months. Looks for various announcements from Sound Choice.


Derek J. Slep
stingraymusic | Music Licensing
704.817.1530 #1124 | Direct
704.621.6271 | Mobile
704.321.0191 | Fax
dslep@stingray-music.com

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WHAT DOES IT SAY, LONNIE??? Who is it from, LONNIE?????? This was the reply I got DIRECTLY from the Stingray Music Contact Us link!!!

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Contrary to what you said, Derek does not own Stingray. He represents them in licensing.

I see your confusion.

Under "get a download license," the publishers say, "You can limit distribution to home users and pay X. Or you can distribute to anyone and pay X+Y."

Then quit saying stuff you aren't sure of!


Proves nothing other than he is working there. Where does it state he OWNS it??? Not seeing it, just another one of your hated beliefs towards them!

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Let's face it. Some people will ALWAYS give Sound Choice, and anyone affiliated with Sound Choice, the benefit of the doubt no matter what. On the other hand; Some people will NEVER give Sound Choice, or anyone affiliated with Sound Choice, the benefit of the doubt no matter what. People have made up their minds as to which side they believe and just like with religion and politics; their minds will not be changed.

Oh yeah! The same thing pretty much goes for Chartbuster and Digitrax too.

Hey Smooth. your PASSION is appreciated by some here, but a few deep breaths may slow your heart rate down.

I am willing to share my last box of Twinkies with you if you just s-l-o-w d-o-w-n Stay healthy mentally. Peace. -john

True to an extent Bruce. But then there are people like me.

SC was an awesome repected brand no doubt.

They were literally robbed of their hard work and dedication to make this industry better, which they did.

They were forced to go bankrupt due to theft from THOUSANDS of people. That's just WRONG.

They wanted to find the theives who STOLE their product. I would too. Their METHODS, until they were fine-tuned, were questionable ethically by many.

( I can't say i'd not be pissed and be paranoid of most of my neighbors if my car, lawnmower, boat, were stolen from my garage. I'd be desperate and emotional and point fingers, THEN realize that's not the best option to get my stuff back.

I'd employ legal means and try to figure out a plan. Most plans have to be revised.

So people like ME can see SC's intial reaction to the THEFT of their product offended some. It seemed desperate and they targeted everyone, especially kjs (some co-conspirators), but neglected initially the more damaging theives, the hard drive sellers...as we all know.

All that STILL doesn't negate the fact that SC produced AWESOME product! CB wasn't nearly as good. Pioneer was better.

I hope that someday SC can get to the position of producing great tracks and regain both respect, and dominance in this declining industry. They helped make it great and profitable for a long time for many kjs and djs.

They still have my respect, and i'd buy from them again in the future if they produce music before i retire completely!

Until then, it's SBI, KV, ZM, and SF for me..which ain't too bad..but it's NOT AS GOOD as SC used to be!!

Mike Tyson was GOOD, Mayweather is BETTER.... but we all know that ALI was THE BEST!!

You can't put ANY Mayweather in with Tyson OR Ali. All the Mayweathers were and are Lightweights and Welterweights. Now had you said Klitschko, then it would fit.

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Sorry. I was referring to physical, mental, and psychological skills as a boxer and not the weight class they were in Smooth.

Smooth.......
"Derek J. Slep
stingraymusic | Music Licensing"

he is the head of music licensing, thats it, he does not own it. breathe in, breathe out.

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This is an example of what I was referring to as a misleading statement.
It's true, but only half of the truth.
Just enough truth to confuse people and make them believe that a track purchased from a UK vender could not be used in a show in the United States.
The rest of the truth is that it is no different from any of the other tracks purchased from United States venders in that respect. The commercial use (public performance) of all tracks without regaurd to place of purchase is covered by the venue's PRO fees.

If the topic is not directly soundchoice related, you will get more than half of the truth:

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Reposted from an earlier date (since it seems to have been ignored). Also, view Earthling's post (the one just before this one).




From Selectatrack's site:
Licensing & Usage
All the tracks we supply are fully-endorsed by the manufacturer and are sold with their permission to use at home or commercially in any public venue worldwide (assuming that venue has the appropriate public performance license). Selectatrack is an approved licensee of the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society (MCPS) to which a royalty is paid for every track sold to cover song writer and publisher royalties. Both Selectatrack and the MCPS are based in the United Kingdom, anyone ordering from outside the UK does need to check with their local publishing organisations on local terms of use regarding public performance.

OK... if not ASCAP, SESAC, or BMI, who is/are the local publishing organizations then?

I am unable to connect to SelectATrack's website today. I wonder if they have been shut down?

I'm in there. Must be on your end.

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MCPS licenses do not allow for distribution to the United States or Canada, for commercial purposes or otherwise.

So, do you rat out people who you find using those downloads?? How would you prove it just from watching a show being run, or would you go on pure speculation??

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Sound Choice and their crack legal team want to have the final word on all things karaoke...or they at least want everyone to believe that they do and that everything that they say about karaoke is the one true gospel. Seventy some people had their law suits dismissed by a judge because Sound Choice decided that it would not be in their best interest to perue those defendants. Did Sound Choice decide that none of those defendants would lose thier case in court? Not one? I guess they were worried about losing the first case that would have gone to trial and then theier entire money grabbing plan would disappear.

Sorry, but the horse is already out of the barn on that one. We won, by the way.