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TroyVnd27
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:39 pm |
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I just got caught up with the SC lawsuits. Been a while since I paid any attention. I was reading that Las Vegas SC Lawsuit website. It is my opinion that, after reviewing some of the accusations and claims made AGAINST SC by that Vegas attorney, as well as information from other sources....
SC and/or the attorneys they have working for them are not the smartest or most ethical people I can think of. I think, at this point in the ball game, Slep should realize the people he has representing his interests MIGHT just be idiots. If he hasn't realized it by now, then he's an idiot himself.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:43 am |
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TroyVnd27 wrote: SC and/or the attorneys they have working for them are not the smartest or most ethical people I can think of. I think, at this point in the ball game, Slep should realize the people he has representing his interests MIGHT just be idiots. If he hasn't realized it by now, then he's an idiot himself.
Truer words NEVER spoken. This has been the problem with SC forever, and it has been my contention that piracy did not put SC out of production- it was an almost unbelievable level of mismanagement. They lost a HUGE portion of income due to licensing settlements, Media-Cloq issues, slow output, and yes, a complete lack of interest in VIABLE copyright protection software, as well as other problems. Taking these issues into account, it's no surprise that they completely screwed up their current efforts and will ( in my opinion) eventually be sued out of any proceeds they may have gained from them.
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TroyVnd27
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:39 am |
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JoeChartreuse wrote: it has been my contention that piracy did not put SC out of production- it was an almost unbelievable level of mismanagement. My educational background is Accounting where I have a Bachelor's Degree. I also have an Associate's in Management. I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement. That Vegas website alleges that Kurt Slep lost $2 million in a real estate scam. I can not confirm that it is the same Kurt Slep, but if it is - that could be another indication that Slep is not much of a businessman. It is very hard for me to believe that someone that could lose $2 million in a scam could be considered a shrewd businessman.
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Cueball
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:55 am |
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TroyVnd27 wrote: It is very hard for me to believe that someone that could lose $2 million in a scam could be considered a shrewd businessman. Why not???? Look at the people and businesses who fell victim to Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scam. Are you saying those people weren't shrewd?
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:49 am |
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Gosh, if somebody said it on the internet it must be true, right?
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:15 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Gosh, if somebody said it on the internet it must be true, right? That's why I take everything you post James with a large shaker of salt, have a legal day.
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The Lone Ranger
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:20 am |
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cueball wrote: TroyVnd27 wrote: It is very hard for me to believe that someone that could lose $2 million in a scam could be considered a shrewd businessman. Why not???? Look at the people and businesses who fell victim to Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scam. Are you saying those people weren't shrewd? One of the few shows I do watch is American Greed, it shows how people who are normally rational fall for claims they should know can't be true. All of these con men convince the mark that they can defy the laws of business. What is more astounding even with all the information going out about this and identity theft, people still give out information over the phone and internet. Just remember if it is too good to be true it is. Have a careful day.
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Insane KJ
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:17 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Gosh, if somebody said it on the internet it must be true, right? I also read on that same blog Troyvd27 refers to that these lawsuits are bringing SC to collapse. There is one poster there who will constantly prove anyone wrong, who believes the contrary, so it must be true since this poster knows more about the karaoke business than any of the members of this humble forum.
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Insane KJ
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:56 am |
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TroyVnd27 wrote: Slep should realize the people he has representing his interests MIGHT just be idiots. If he hasn't realized it by now, then he's an idiot himself. Slep-Tone has fired Attorney Donna Boris and I believe has suggested disbarment. http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/90210-ca- ... tml#236197Also Slep-Tone has files suit against Steve Brophy of APS & Associates for breach of contract. APS was responsible for hiring Boris who filed the California and Nevada lawsuits. http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/empl ... c/summary/I have stated elsewhere that for Slep-Tone hiring APS/Brophy was a GIGANTIC mistake. However since then, Slep-Tone has cleaned up as much as they could from the APS/Boris fiasco, even though it recently cost them a hefty $18k + judgement in California. In Nevada, Ellis Island has settled with Slep-Tone and sources who have visited their karaoke show last week report Sound Choice GEM Series karaoke being played there. Hopefully the "idiot factor" has been reduced as lessons have been learned by Slep-Tone. My understanding is that lawsuits are now being filed individually, one already in Nevada, and they will keep on coming.
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RaokeBoy
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Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:51 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: The Lone Ranger wrote: If the investigative reports are no big deal I didn't say they weren't a big deal. I said that they were not to be used as evidence at trial. The Lone Ranger wrote: then why did Kurt agree to pay APS 30% of the settlement monies as part of their recovery pact signed between Kurt, APS and Donna Boris?
The reports are important. They are not evidence. The Lone Ranger wrote: Also if it is no big deal why did 40 defendants walk with dismissed cases in California, when APS failed to provide the files? Something isn't ringing true here. The untruths are emanating from your keyboard. What you are suggesting does not accurately describe what happened. The defendants in California were dismissed because Donna Boris did not complete the necessary steps to meet the scheduling order. There was a report that had to be filed by a certain date, and it was not. The judge dismissed the defendants for failure to prosecute the case. The existence of the investigative reports, and whether or not they were provided to Donna Boris, had absolutely nothing to do with the dismissal. Couple of things here that need to be clarified. First, Harrington continues to lay all the blame in the LA case at Boris' feet. Slep-tone and Harrington knew for many months prior to the dismissal that Boris was not performing well as its attorney. Slep-tone knew about her missing three deadlines in the Vegas case six months prior. They did nothing to terminate her in the LA case, however. Nor did they timely bring on any other attorney as they could have at any time. They didn't do anything until well after the motion for attorneys' fees was filed. In fact, concerning that very motion, they waited until after the deadline to file opposing papers with new counsel and then begged for mercy that it was all Boris' fault. Clearly, Judge Wright had no sympathy for Slep-tone's blame game and even explained these very same facts in his order. As Sugano's lawyer, Craig McLaughlin pointed out in his motion papers, Slep-tone had also in bad faith failed to respond to Sugano's interrogatory questions which asked for the factual basis of the claims made against her by Slep-tone. In the response to these questions, Slep-tone asserted that such information was not being supplied on the grounds of privilege. This was the same kind of response that Kurt Slep gave at his own deposition after being advised by Harrington at Mr. Slep's deposition in the Las Vegas case (which Slep-tone/Harrington was sanctioned for). It appears as though this is a pattern and practice with Slep-tone and its counsel.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:22 am |
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TroyVnd27 wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: it has been my contention that piracy did not put SC out of production- it was an almost unbelievable level of mismanagement. My educational background is Accounting where I have a Bachelor's Degree. I also have an Associate's in Management. I agree wholeheartedly with the above statement. That Vegas website alleges that Kurt Slep lost $2 million in a real estate scam. I can not confirm that it is the same Kurt Slep, but if it is - that could be another indication that Slep is not much of a businessman. It is very hard for me to believe that someone that could lose $2 million in a scam could be considered a shrewd businessman. Just for fun I tried several different search engines: Google, Yahoo, Ask, Bing, Go Daddy, Jeeves, etc... While it still might not be the same one, ALL show only ONE Kurt Slep in the U.S. Probably just a coinkydink......
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RaokeBoy
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:16 pm |
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Insane KJ wrote: TroyVnd27 wrote: Slep should realize the people he has representing his interests MIGHT just be idiots. If he hasn't realized it by now, then he's an idiot himself. . . . . Hopefully the "idiot factor" has been reduced as lessons have been learned by Slep-Tone. My understanding is that lawsuits are now being filed individually, one already in Nevada, and they will keep on coming. Hmm, according to today's posts on soundchoicelasvegaslawsuit.com, Slep-tone and Harrington are facing a pretty serious motion in New York which alleges that they filed a baseless trademark infringement claim and did not do a proper investigation prior to suing. http://soundchoicelasvegaslawsuit.com/l ... e-certain/
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:05 pm |
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For those, like me, who do not like to open links, here it is:
" ..... According to the motion papers of Expressway suing in the Southern District of New York, it was not served by Slep-tone within the required 120 days and Slep-tone’s complaint was dismissed without prejudice. Fearing additional threats by Slep-tone, Expressway thereafter sued for declaratory judgment . Slep-tone counterclaimed, repeating its original allegations of TM infringement except that its allegation of observation was dropped. Expressway now moves for Rule 11 sanctions asserting that Slep-tone failed to conduct an adequate pre-filing investigation, a duty on attorneys to certify that they have “conducted a reasonable inquiry and have determined that any papers filed with the court are well grounded in fact and legally tenable.” Cooter & Gell v. Hartmax Corp., 496 U.S. 384, 393 (1990). But according to the motion papers, during a pre-motion conference Mr. Harrington admitted that he did not conduct a pre-filing investigation because “[w]e don’t need to observe infringement in order for infringement to occur and be actionable” and “…the fact of observation, to us, is irrelevant.” Asserting that the counterclaim was filed without a basis, the motion also quoted Judge Wright’s order twice. A party is prohibited from filing a lawsuit without facts in support and then go fishing for them in discovery. Expressway seeks dismissal of the counterclaim and monetary sanctions against Mr. Harrington."
Wonder if another SC payout ( I truly wish no ill will to Jim, personally, believe it or not [ No, I don't know why that is- some sort of gut thing...]- Though I believe he helped design and mastermind SC's current business model- but one does have to take responsibility for one's actions...) will be forthcoming.
I have, and continue, to predict that SC will lose every cent they gained through their current methodology, and hopefully more, to for the damage, tarnished reputations, outlay of time, energy, and funds, that their CUSTOMERS have had to deal with.
The most amazing thing that I have heard to date?
"Mr. Harrington admitted that he did not conduct a pre-filing investigation because “[w]e don’t need to observe infringement in order for infringement to occur and be actionable” and “…the fact of observation, to us, is irrelevant.”
In other words, he ADMITTED that there was no investigation, and ON TOP OF THAT stated that they do not need to observe any wrongdoing to sue!
In other words- as I have stated time and time again, SC is targeting ANYONE WHO MEDIA SHIFTS, and doesn't know or care if they are a customer or not!
There is no arguement to this- it just IS.
....And yet he still rebukes me when I bring up SC's lack of investigation- go figure....
Still waiting for huge the class action suit that I believe is coming...
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:53 pm |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Gosh, if somebody said it on the internet it must be true, right? That's why I take everything you post James with a large shaker of salt, have a legal day. Goes both ways there skip!
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:43 am |
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The assertion that investigations are irrelevant and unnecessary would lead one to believe that no investigations have ever taken place and they just surf the internet for karaoke shows in a particular area and name anyone they find advertising their shows on the internet in their bogus law suits. I guess it would be tough to face yur accuser in a court of law if the alleged investigations never took place. Your honor: I would like to call to the stand the undercover investigator who observed any alleged infractions at my show but he doesn't seem to exist. Judge: Case dismissed and attorney's fees are awarded to the defendant, as well as various sanctions against the Plaintiff and it's attorney for filing law suits without having done any due diligence when it comes to investigating the numerous defendants in this matter. It would also be nice if the judge could award EVERY SINGLE defendant in any case filed by Sound Choice over the last 7 years a sum of $20,000 for pain and suffereing. I think that would finally put this fiasco to rest. Weren't there supposed to be some new Sound Choice songs released by now?
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:09 am |
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I responded to this in the other thread in which this was brought up. I did not admit any such thing because that is not true.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:36 am |
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It's starting to all come together now. This all explains why you refused to answer Judge Wright's questions about your criteria for filing a suit. You couldn't explain the investigators list of things to look for because there probably was no list and no investigators. I'm sure the Judge would have wanted to talk to one of these so called expert karaoke investigators at some point so you claimed that they were work related privileged information. I bet they were!
Look!!! The emperor has no clothes.
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RaokeBoy
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:23 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: I responded to this in the other thread in which this was brought up. I did not admit any such thing because that is not true. James - You mean you didn't you say that? Were you misquoted? What investigation was actually done? Wasn't APS given a volume incentive to sue as many as possible? That contract with APS is an attachment to your own complaint against APS. You sure have a lot of lawsuits in the fire. Did you mention to Kurt to expect this? And what part of this order by Judge Reidinger in North Carolina wasn't true in your representation of Precision Links? “By an Order entered July 14, 2011, the Court found that “Plaintiff’s infringement claim was objectively baseless and subjectively lacking in good faith” and that “several instances of Plaintiff’s conduct in this litigation were so vexatious and unjustified so as to warrant the imposition of fees in this case.” http://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/08/25/h ... s-order-1/
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Insane KJ
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:10 am |
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RaokeBoy wrote: Insane KJ wrote: TroyVnd27 wrote: Slep should realize the people he has representing his interests MIGHT just be idiots. If he hasn't realized it by now, then he's an idiot himself. . . . . Hopefully the "idiot factor" has been reduced as lessons have been learned by Slep-Tone. My understanding is that lawsuits are now being filed individually, one already in Nevada, and they will keep on coming. Hmm, according to today's posts on soundchoicelasvegaslawsuit.com, Slep-tone and Harrington are facing a pretty serious motion in New York which alleges that they filed a baseless trademark infringement claim and did not do a proper investigation prior to suing. http://soundchoicelasvegaslawsuit.com/l ... e-certain/It will be interesting to see which way this goes. Personally I see it as a Phantom Cat. However, the most comical thing I read on Expressway's Motion Doc#24 is that the citation (1) on page 4 that refers to the Kossack blog! Like a judge is going to take credence on blog opinion let alone read through the whole thing! I laughed my a$$ off at that! Who knows, Expressway seems to be taking that blogs advise so they should get what they deserve.
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mrmarog
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:15 am |
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Insane KJ wrote: However, the most comical thing I read on Expressway's Motion Doc#24 is that the citation (1) on page 4 that refers to the Kossack blog! Like a judge is going to take credence on blog opinion let alone read through the whole thing! I laughed my a$$ off at that! Many a criminal has been caught/tried/sentenced as a result of information such as this. Not really so far fetched.
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