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What's the matter tim struck a nerve? The truth will set you free.

Lone Ranger - If there is one thing I know about Kurt, he is not just going to just give up. Your desire to see Sound Choice go into "freeware" status will not take place in your lifetime.



Gretchen had a baby.

There are at least 117 KaraokeCloud Subscribers at the Pro level. I suspect there are significantly more at the consumer level.

They are doing certifications. Technically every certification proposed to date is only good for the day it was issued because people buy and sell content. Your focus on the date and wording is a ploy to distract people from the fact that there are accountable KJ's that have open dialogs with the manufacturers in an effort to prove that there are decent, legal KJ's operating out there.

The only people that really need to be concerned with the suits are those being targeted by them.



Flawed? Possibly. Every company can do things differently and improve their business practices.

Failed? This is your obstinacy showing through. Digitrax is obviously doing something right. Seriously....it is very obvious even though you refuse to recognize it. Sound Choice may not have anything new for us, but there is always the possibility that they will throw us a bone in the future. This is a type of faith that I don't normally put much stock in. Call it a gut instinct. I believe we will see new product from Sound Choice. If not, then I guessed wrong. No loss for me if they don't, but a potential upside for me if they do.

As I mentioned above, Kurt is a rather tenacious individual. He believes strongly in what he has made and what he is doing. Doesn't really matter if it is the right way to do it or not - he isn't giving up. Your rants and raves don't seem to have had any impact in changing that.

-Chris

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[quote="johnreynolds"]Once again not ALL CAVS products suck!

The OLD jb-99s. Yes.

The NEWER jb-199's. No. Learn to load it right!

Cavs music. Yes.

Cavs 203 cdg/ dvd player. No.

They were/are hated on because like Bose they were overpriced and there are cheaper alternatives for the cheaper kjs. Laptops oveheat. Cavs 199s NEVER. They are desktops with f-a-n-s built in. And they are workhorses. I went to a laptop because they are much lighter and use a usb fan. Still overheats sometimes.[/quote]
I have had 2 or 3 Jb99's years ago and had very good luck with them. The exception being song loading was way to slow and too much effort. Since 2004 I've used Jb199's and they all have held up very good. I still have 2 today. Easy to use, easy to load, decent quality. I'm now using Cavs Play CDG KJ Deluxe 64 laptop program and find it the easiest and a very fast program. The crowd likes the fact they can search for songs and queue them up themself. I've seen a lot of systems over several years and still stay with Cavs.

"These are two flawed and failed companies still trying to live off their glory days."
Incorrect, Digitrax is a current and producing company. New material, new innovations, and helping karaoke move forward.

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For how long if Cloud isn't a success how long will DTE continue to be viable since they have put so much into that one delivery system?

Oh and Kurt doesn't rant and rave at the summits?

Heheh "If the Cloud isn't a success". It already is.

-Chris

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Sure he does. But he has something to rant and rave about. People stole his product. Nuff Said.

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And you are planning to purchase how much product from DTE?????????????

And as for someone who said he retired shortly after Halloween of 2013, you care about this because....... ???????????????????????????

I do not subscribe to the cloud, but I buy tracks from dte one at a time so without the cloud, they will still be successful selling tracks al la carte as hosts want.

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No more than every other karaoke company has....including those still in business and producing without suing their customers.

Now don't get me wrong, I am with you Chris that there is something wrong with LR and he needs help, but to say that one company of many on a loaded hard drive or torrent is taking all of the abuse and the others that are still on business are not or that they are not having just as much stolen seems like burying your head in the sand.

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They are all taking abuse. I am a bit mystified as to why Stellar and Digitrax still produce new content but Sound Choice does not. My guess is because Sound Choice had such high productions standards, and thus costs associated with production, that they chose not to compromise and instead ceased producing new content. Absolute speculation on my part, but is the only explanation I have been able to come up with.

-Chris

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Could also be Chris that the other manus have used a standard business practice, called a cost effective analysis, with a risk reward ratio. They concluded that what ever the recovered would not match the cost of SC's legal process. Not to mention the negative PR that would be placed on their product, making it difficult to sell. After all the marketing model for SC is now suits drive sales, they have nothing left. My speculation and take of the current situation.

P.S. By the way Chris it has nothing to do with my desires whether SC's product drifts into the free ware status zone. SC has made no new product in years and after 5 years on non-production it could achieve free ware status. Also there is the little matter of EMI if SC's insurer doesn't bail them out again, the company could be heading for the last round up like CB. Which of course really wasn't the last round up due to some fancy legal slight of hand.

I've spent many years in the business and I have an interest even though retired in anything relating to it. As far a purchases go I'm still a collector I was when I started and I still now and then buy something for my now totally private library.

I raise the question about the success of Cloud mainly because DTE put such an emphasis on it when it was launched. Remember Summit I stated unless it was a success the industry would implode by the end of 2013. No implosion was it a success, did it save the industry? I don't see how, the only list I've seen was the one that listed what a little over 100 subscribers. PR is the legal process muscle for DTE to take the stink of litigation off the company, so they can play good cop bad cop with the host. The hosts with a legally purchased library don't need Cloud, the others won't subscribe until PR manages to use the same suits drive sales approach employed by SC with GEM. They might be selling a la carte but then so are other manus they are in competition with. Their only stand alone product is Cloud it's roll out has been about as successful as Obama Care.

Last number I heard was about 3 million citizens have enrolled in ObamaCare.

I believe that if DTE had 3 million subscribers... your analogy is baseless.

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Never the same show twice!

Not to mention, the people who obtained insurance under the Affordable Care Act who had none before.

-Chris

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I know at least the dt tracks I have gotten are of the same high standard that SC was known for. They have not had to sell their studios, to pay the bills, nor have they had to pare back on employees, actually hiring the old cb employees. What DT is doing on the other hand is making songs people want (and getting licensing), at a vey high quality, on a good time frame, at a reasonable price, in the delivery format hosts are wanting.
Then when you consider Stellar makes songs nobody wants, at a good quality but not SC quality, still a reasonable price, but not the delivery method hosts want (and they can still sell enough to keep their studio and employees while their songs are on the same drives with the SC material being stolen it lends to the thought that there must be another problem that is unique to SC not attached to piracy that has caused the problems.
High quality does not mean it can't be done.
DT does SC quality, tracks and sells.
ZM does SC quality, tracks and sells
KV does SC quality, tracks and sells
SF does good quality tracks and sells
AS does good quality tracks and sells (through SC even)

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And not only that, but those 3 million people probably did not have a choice but to enroll in Obama Care... The 100 people (that LR gives as a number) did have a choice to buy into the Cloud... so, that makes it a bad analogy for that reason as well.

I don't think we can fairly include any of the non-US karaoke companies because of the differences in how they license.

DT has their own studios (I believe) And there is the question of the CB/DT shell game.
Stellar/PHM uses Sing It Now (not sure Stellar has their own studios though I have never bother to ask)
I have no clue about ASK.

Not making excuses for SC, I don't know the answers. Like I said, I don't know why SC doesn't produce anything. Guess I will touch base with Kurt after MBLV.

-Chris

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