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Nothing wrong with borrowing, as long as it isn't to make a copy of it. Also that library can't be in use in more than 1 place, so if borrowing means simply to use an available extra set when needed (kind of like renting) - when not in use at the same time elsewhere, then sure that's legal to do.

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You're right.. for some reason I had the impression he was borrowing the library of another KJ who was using a hard drive (presumably, by me, on the same night)... my apologies

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This is where I got the impression that the 'borrowed' library wasn't legal..

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The books that I borrowed had the SGB 66 set in it, along with a bunch of Super Core.

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Books? As in books of discs? If you are coping them to your harddrive and don't own them (they could be in use at the same time you are using your computer at a show), that is illegal. SGB is out of business, so I guess you probably won't get caught anytime soon.. but if I were you, I wouldn't take the chance of somebody (whoever owns the rights to SGB product) coming out of the woodwork and doing something about it. I don't know who SuperCore brand belongs to...

You need to be careful. The legal issue has gotten very heated, as you saw earlier. There is a lot at stake for everyone in this business.

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Smooth.. you posted earlier that some of the stuff you borrowed and ripped to your hard drive was SC.. If I were you, I would get rid of it! You caught the lawyers attention there. The fines are outrageously high. I appreciate you being honest about what you did... but you really do need to take our advice here. yes, we got upset... but with good reason if you look at it from our perspective. Don't use illegal karaoke (or dj for that matter), so you have to start small.. .we all did...

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Actually, I enjoy doing No more Tears from Ozzy.

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Smooth, when describe what YOU are doing, it is NOT heresay. You maybe BSing people, but it is not heresay. Heresay is when you say something that someone else said without having firsthand knowledge, ie being present when it is said. When YOU say you are going to download and use material illegally is the same as a bank robber planning a heist and yes the police can charge that robber prior to the robbery.

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Technically Smooth... burning someone else's music to your hard drive, even for personal use, is illegal. Getting caught is a different story.... but when you post in public in here, you open yourself to trouble. Someone could take what you say here, present it to a judge and get a search warrant to search your personal property (home) and charge you with piracy. Copying a disc is illegal in itself.. called Media Shifting..

and it gets more complicated from there...

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No, they can't charge you on a robbery that you say you are going to do. You can say that you are going to kill someone, and that is still not a crime. We still have freedom of speech in this country regardless of what many would have you believe. There is no crime if you never do it. Don't worry, I have changed my mind. You people want to come after me, have at it. You will find nothing illegal. All you have are some posts on a website. I currently own 36 disks, and soon I will OWN about 100 more. That will be a good start. I will be 1:1. You can all get off my (@$%&#!) now. You have made your point. Got it?? I WILL be legal, when I start.

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Smooh, I suggest you read your state and federal penal codes and in particular, intent and conspiracy. Do you really think that Law Enforcement will stand idly by and wait for a robber to rob the bank or wait until a terrorist hits the detonation button on a bomb?

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Oh Calm Down!!
The people here like to discuss stuff... the legalities, in's and out's of the law as it pertains to our business. Ya, we do get upset when we think there's a pirate in our midst... because pirates have hurt the industry as a whole, not just our little businesses. You'll find that the vast majority of KJ's here are not part of a large company... we're mostly one or two people trying to eke out a living. Or it's a second job. Pirates have hurt my little business.. and bars are more and more not hiring karaoke.. economy probably is the reason, but pirates undercutting is becoming a big problem.
Anyway... someone is going to come on and tell you that saying you are going to kill somebody is a crime.. .. so I'll tell you first.. it is!! It's called a threat and it is illegal. Harrington can probably tell us what the technical term is. However, there is context that would not necessarily be illegal. As for stating on here that you're doing something illegal, it can be used against you to investigate.
If you really want our help.... ask questions, take our advice, do research on the web.. All these things will help you get what you want.. to start a karaoke business.
But don't get all huffy at us when we get mad at piracy. We have a good reason to not appreciate piracy.

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Somebody would have to be a real low kind of rat to do something like that. I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy. Maybe I come from a better time, or a different place. Where I come from people don't rat each other out for stuff. You just can't trust anyone, anymore. Meanwhile, I know you people are ALL angels and have done nothing wrong in your lives. RIIIGHT!! Get over yourselves. None of you are that special. Give me a break here. I won't be running illegally, but give me a break on the practice music.

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It is a different time. Back in the day of vinyl records .. and reel to reel tapes... .some people put all their albums on tape so they could listen for hours without having to change the record. And before that... was just the record, no choice. BUT, even in today's world, putting all your personal 'albums' on your computer to listen to at your convenience is not illegal.. because you OWN the 'albums'. ..
It's gotten sticky because the recording industry is in trouble, artists no longer sell a whole album, they sell one song at a time. When we consumers buy one song then give it to all our friends, we hurt the income of more people than most of us realize. In the karaoke industry, it gets more complicated, the licensing etc. Piracy has finally put a big dent in the incomes and very existence of music producers, so they are on the war path. Have any of us ever done anything illegal... of course we have.. and we didn't pay much attention to any of this until the trouble trickled down and affected us personally. It's actually too bad we didn't pay attention earlier.
But being a 'rat'.. no, I'm not, nor are most people here... UNTIL it affects our personal business! Then we will do whatever it takes to protect ourselves.
As for ratting you out for copying your friends cd's to use at home for practicing... most of us here wouldn't do a darned thing about it. BUT, over and over we've given you the advice not to post that information here in public. Actually, we're doing you a favor by giving you the information on what is and what isn't illegal. That is all...
Telling you that, technically it's illegal to copy music that you don't own, is not telling you that we will rat you out! But .. don't advertise it for gawdsake!!

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Well theres alot of ways to make money if your creative and willing, without being a thief. We started a clown party business, did a few gigs and put a down on Chartbuster 6000. The clown part of our business has soared. We booked every Saturday and 2 Sundays this month alone at $225 a pop. In April we'll have CB paided off and have the down payment for SC's Gem in May. We believe the good Lord blessed us for doing whats right, try it it works...

Jon

Now, here is my question, and this goes out mostly to the Lawyerman, if the piracy has become such a problem, why did you all wait so long to do something about it?? Why did you wait until you were practically out of business?? How stupid was the management of SC that they waited so long?? Why aren't ALL the manus doing this?? You don't read about PHM suing the pants off everyone. I just don't get it. Now it make Sound Choice look greedy, especially with the damages they are trying to get. I could see why establishments would ban the use of SC by their KJs. I have always loved SC for most songs. They do fall short sometimes. But this is going to soil their reputation. Just like the record companies got hurt, so with they. Now I see they are going up against Caesar's. That is an insane move. I am sure Caesar's has much more monetary resources, and much more political influence than Slep-Tone. I think I would be happy to see SC go under, after the harassment they are doing to all KJs, including legit ones. It's wrong, it's and overstep, and it will put them out of business if it keeps up. This is something that should have been dealt with when file sharing software was first invented. But to go after all the KJs is a stupid waste of resources. Put a pile of money on a table with a sign that says "Here take it",in the middle of a crowd, who isn't going to get a handful?? People are human. Right or wrong, people are human. SC is getting greedy, and they will get sloppy. I have read articles about their sloppiness. It's sad when a company has to take advantage of their customers.

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Two things: I DON'T believe in God, and I will not LEASE karaoke from Sound Choice. Either I won the music or I don't buy the music. I don't like this GEM program. It sounds dishonest, like everything else SC is doing.

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Try it meaning; being creative, willing (to work), and doing whats right... I already new you were godless, I never new a thief that believed there was one...

Jon

Sorry to say this because I've been taking you at your word and trying to be helpful. But YOU seem like the dishonest one.
I decided to look at your past posts in this forum... this is just some of what I found:

Forum: Karaoke Discussions Topic: Do I have to sing well to be a kj?
Smoothedge69
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:01 pm

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I just started running my show about a month ago. I have been singing at the bar for 6 months, since I moved to Florida. I took the show over for the last guy that was running it. The owner liked me, and fired the other guy. I usually start the show, and after each rotation. Then I end the show. Whe...

Forum: Karaoke Discussions Topic: Are there...........
Smoothedge69
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:11 pm

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I guess not. How about a program that burns karaoke disks, so I don't have to use the originals?

Forum: Karaoke Discussions Topic: Hi Folks...............
Smoothedge69
Post subject: Re: Welcome!!!
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:28 pm

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Spankie The Wizard wrote:
And again.. where the heck is Nokomis????

Nokomis is about 50 miles south of Tampa, in Sarasota county.



Forum: Karaoke Discussions Topic: Anyone wanna do karaoke for a living
Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:14 pm

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I just started running a show, in replacement of the old KJ. I'm working in a small local bar, here in Venice Florida. I do the Saturday show, and a friend of mine does Wednesday. The owner of the place likes us better than the old guy, and fired him. We take home $225 per night. The show runs from ...

Forum: Karaoke Discussions Topic: Karaokemiester! I am in Pensacola!
Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:56 pm

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I'm in Nokokmis.



Forum: Karaoke Discussions Topic: Hi Folks...............
Smoothedge69
Post subject: Hi Folks...............
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:13 am

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Hi. I'm Bobby. Been doing Karaoke for 10.5 years. I just came across this site, today. I just stated running a show, last Saturday. I live in Nokomis Florida, and my show is in Venice. I am 37 years old. I'll sing, pretty much anything, but Country, and rap.


Seems like you were in a better mood back then, what happened? BUT also.. you've been a KJ for quite some time. So why you telling us how you haven't started yet?

Enough... you're full of BS.. and dishonest.

So attack me. I'm not listening to anymore of your Sh!t

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Nice. Personal insults. Gotta love it. I love how the God fearing people are so ready to look down on everyone else, and insult those who don't believe.

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