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Tell me what you think that investigation looks like, what proof you'll script as legitimate. It's easy to complain about something. Your argument will have more credibility if you explain why the investigation we do is inadequate.

What do you do when the guy says, "screw you"? Or has you thrown out of the bar? Or says "it's at home," then skips town or destroys evidence?

Seriously? Was that a rhetoric question?

Yes, seriously. Not rhetorical at all.

But then again, a large portion of the Bars who hire a KJ, know very little about Karaoke (such as simple things like what a CDG is). Now, with that in mind, how are they going to even know what they're looking at if a KJ comes in with a song book, and shows him 4 or 5 Case Logic books filled with over 300 discs in each case. The KJ could put any disc in there, and the Bar Management would probably not even know the difference. After all, a lot of the CDGs out there are designed to look like regular discs that you would buy in the stores (granted, SC doesn't, but take a look at Pocket Songs for example). And, with the technology today, a KJ could scan a label directly onto a disc, and it could look like an original disc. So, how is your average Venue Manager supposed to know that he's looking at the real thing?





Again, where's the proof. Why should the Bar Owner take the word of Absolut that he's got a fake product? How do they know that maybe the real thing was sold to that particular Bar? That's almost like someone yelling "Fire!" in a darkened Theater.... Everyone is expected to run out based on hearing that, whether it's true or not.





Mr. Harrington, I guess, in the scenerio that you present, the best thing for the Bar to do would be what Chip's doing.... Don't sell Absolut (in Chip's case, don't play SC)... Sell Pinacle, Grey Goose, Smirnoff's, and Stolie's Vodka instead, and he won't be sued.

This is something I've pointed out as viable option from the very beginning of this witch hunt. All Kurt et al have ever responded with are lame excuses as to why that "won't work". Instead, they'd much rather sue everyone and who cares if they make "mistakes" (seriously - not hard at all to avoid doing) and harm what were once their loyal customers?

So why have those of us who have never bowed down to the almighty SC and have criticized their methods from the very beginning been treated the way we have?
Right from the start, that's all we've ever asked is to have some REAL investigation. From the very beginning, it has been clear to us that SC's "investigative" methods have been sorely lacking, and clearly, they continue to be so, and we've felt the need to speak up about it.
And yet we've been virtually stomped on, accused of being pirates ourselves, and even cyber-stalked for our troubles. I'm pretty sure that I can speak for pretty much all of us on this side of the fence when I say that had their methods been up to snuff and they conducted reasonable and proper investigations BEFORE naming anyone in a suit, none of us would have said "boo" about it and would have, in fact, backed them wholeheartedly. Alas, that was not to be so.

it has already been shown that no investigation is done other than seeing a computer in the room and an SC logo on the screen.

reporting multiple rigs when only one exists. (Michael Michael)
reporting hosts that actually do not even work at the venue. (Darcy Blackford)
reporting kj at multiple venues when that kj owns the venue and does no others. (Red Onion Lounge)
reporting disc based host with discs in plain view as PC based. (Rodney Burge)

see my point?

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So, What do you propose as a "real" investigation? Details, please?

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Start by having InsaneKJ stop stalking people and posting personal pics and libelous untruths on your (free) forum.... You're the adminstrator... have him prove the crap he likes to post.

Amen to that!
And yes, DETAILS are EXACTLY what I'd like to see in a REAL investigation, not someone who was hired from a listing on craigs list and paid $150 to walk into a room and photograph a SC logo on the screen with nothing more than that to accuse someone of piracy.

What Kind of details Diafel/Chip/Paradigm? Birdofsong ? Please list them. What would be irrefutable proof to you ? I really am interested in your opinion.

You and HarringtonLaw..... I'm sure.

Once again: It's not my problem to solve. SC has a problem with pirates -- I don't -- and I don't have any legal exposure to SC's games either.

Problem solved for me.
Free.
Carry on...

@c. staley -- You should have a problem with pirates because they impact you and the industry as a whole.

-Chris

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Ask yourself what kind of evidence you'd like to see the plaintiff provide against you were it you who was accused of piracy. Any evidence that you think would be irrefutable and enough to prove without a doubt that you were a pirate would be exactly the kind of evidence I would be looking for, not innuendos, probabilities, and possibilities.

good question....

first, the actual host. not someone who does not even work there, never has. if you cant even provide a stage name, you never even set foot in the venue.

multi-riggers would be a good place to start, but go see them at multiple venues on the same day of the week. not just assuming they are working multiple venues on one night.

watch the host loading songs. not tough to do, not at any karaoke venue i have ever been at. are they using original discs.....probably not media shifting then.

start here, showing the SC logo on screen does not make one a pirate or theif.

just from my fist hand experience.

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Nope. They are not competition for me. I work for myself, not "the industry."

Okay. You are right. You win.

-Chris

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I am finding it a bit harder to get in new music. One major producer isn't putting out new songs, another has been putting less songs per disc and will be slowing down releases, another is having trouble licensing the songs people want to sing. I have sent overseas but they aren't the best for country and we are in a country area. The discs from overseas are no longer available to the box stores/distributors--the noose just seems to be tightening.

Perhaps someone else will leap in to fill the void but they won't find much profit unless they can keep control of their product.

I think some have climbed so high that they think the rising waters won't ever get to them and they have been content to watch others drown and even dance on their graves. But I think now the water is lapping at their heels. Even if you feel your show will always beat another show, you still have to be able to get music for it.

It is not a matter of winning anything. I don't focus on others, I focus on my business. Sound choice isn't going to maked piracy go away, they need it for their new business model and turning those pirates in to customers that will just continue to compete with you isn't helping you or "the industry" one bit is it?