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Looks like some voluntary dismissals happened in December 2011

While nothing can be done about past agreements, Soundchoice has the ability to unilaterally change the way the agreements are made in the future so that the names of those who take the exit agreement can be published. It makes sense to do this so that other KJs can help police their own areas.

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Johnny, there were screw ups on th OJ case. There are screw ups in some cases but that doesn't mean all investigators (or even particular) are inept. They are people and all people screw up from time to time.

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You can buy them a lot less expensively from PACER (www.pacer.gov)--0.08 per page (although that will be increasing soon to 0.10).

While your position on this will be taken into consideration for future agreements, I am not prepared at this point to commit to a "non-confidential" requirement for those settlement agreements.

I'm not suggesting the entire agreement be "non-confidential", just including a provision that allows the publication of the names of those who are "out-of-the-business".

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Also, I should add that when I checked the SC site under Certified KJs and KJs who purchased/leased the GEM series, I only saw 2 KJs listed for NY (from all the KJs listed in those lawsuits last year), and one of them is in Upstate, NY (of which wouldn't know the person).




Thank you for a quick, honest answer to that question.







I agree with what Earthling said.... The agreement should be modified (just regarding those who have been ordered/agreed to drop out of the business for a 3 year period. Like I said in a previous post, we know who most of our fellow KJs are (pirates and non-pirates). Letting us know which KJs are allegedly out of the business, could only help your cause (and save you some investigative time) further down the line.

Excuse me, WHO the HELL are you and your firm to take someone's sound system away?? You want to take what was evidence, hard drives, and disks, that's one thing. To take their sound equipment goes above and beyond!! That is their personal property. Do you give any of it back after the three years?? Do you hold it in storage?? You guys are REALLY overstepping your bounds. Not to mention that you busted these people for doing KARAOKE. You are banning them from doing KARAOKE for three years. There is nothing about DJ work stated there. You aren't suing these people for playing regular music. You are suing them for playing illegal KARAOKE. You go too far with this. You can't just take someone's property, that they bought. That makes you no better than the pirates. You tactics ARE despicable, and just gives me MORE reason not to use your products!!!

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Not if it's court ordered! But these are supposed to be worst case scenerios - people borrowing and copying discs, downloading and not wanting to comply with the rules.

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Which I have said that I will not do. You know what, I don't think I like too many of you people. I don't like being talked down to.

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They can take your house if you sell drugs out of it. Property used in the commission of a crime can be seized. I assume that's the premise they use to take the equipment... ?

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This is why I don't vote Republican. Republicans allow these kinds of laws to go into effect. Property seizure goes AGAINST the fourth amendment. That is the bottom line. If someone were to try that on me, I would fight them tooth and nail.

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Why is it that you want to hold everyone to higher legal standards than yourself?

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How do you figure?? I have already stated that I will run a clean show. I am sincere in that. I won't even use my computer, which sucks, because I just bought it. I can bring it and post to FB while I am working. I'm not holding anyone to a higher legal standard. I am saying that they are violating the Constitution by seizing property . That is WORSE than theft, as far as I am concerned. Theft is against the law. Seizing property is against the ruling document of the country.

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Am I to believe that you think it is okay for a thief (that is exactly what karaoke pirates are) to take someone's property and not suffer consequences - harsh consequences - when caught?

How do you differentiate "regular music" from "karaoke" anyway? Artists play instruments on both. Some karaoke discs have vocals tracks that are effectively full covers of "regular music".

Regardless, theft is theft, and there are consequences. Karaoke thieves are doing more than lifting a candy-bar from the grovery store. They are stealing literally 10's of thousands of dollars of music. if someone walked into a music store and stole $10,000 worth of CD's, what makes downloading $10,000 worth of karaoke music any different?

-Chris

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He reminds me of the guy in court convicted of killing his partents and saying to the judge "Have mercy on me, I'm an orphan".

I also love the "I bought it, I can do anything I want with it". Does that mean if I buy a gun I can shoot anyone I want or if I buy a hammer I can break all the glass I want or if I buy a big-assed stereo system I can play it as loud as I like in my apartment building anytime I like? I think not.

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Ahem, I am a registered Independant. Republicans are not for more laws, Bigger government. You should re check that. Most People who are broke vote Dem due to the far reaching hand Help me out . Also Gov Unions vote dem due to Heres our votes I want big salary and want as many days off and do as Little for my Huge salary. IMHO


I edited the last Part. I think his Fiance collects welfare and he lives with her. I can sense it he he

I agree with you I too am Indepenent We really don't need government to tell us how go do EVERY little things in our lives. Repubs want the basic principle of our constitution to guide us in our endeavors.. it's too bad so many people do underhanded and morally wrong stuff, that makes government think they have to protect us from ourselves. And Bigger government costs MONEY! Who do you think pays that money? Besides China.. wow..
Ok.. I'm not doing politics any more!!

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Bless your heart.

In that settlement program, the KJ is voluntarily exiting the industry, and in the process turning over to us his karaoke music, sound system, computer, etc. In exchange, the KJ pays a reduced amount. We're not seizing anything in that situation.

When we get a judgment, we do ask for the KJ's system to be seized by the court and either turned over to us or destroyed. The court has the power to order that because it is part of the statute governing trademarks. It is intended as both a remunerative remedy and a penalty. It passes Constitutional scrutiny because it is done following the due process of law.

Honestly, when we sue a pirate, that pirate has several choices. He can get legal (at a much higher price, to account for the extra work SC had to do to get to that point). If he has a lot of music already but can't pass an audit (usually due to being legal for years before becoming a downloader/copier), and can't afford the price for a GEM series, we will sometimes take less money but not provide discs. Or he can get out of the industry.

oh boy yet another post of mine deleted . What I say this time?

As far as you not voting republican smooth in saying republicans are the real problems, is like saying Christians against Christ. Its the democrats that are crooked!