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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:08 pm |
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MadMusicOne wrote: .....If I were just starting out, I would jump on some of the deals out there. There's definitely some ridiculously low prices compared to years past. Not only the money savings but the time savings by not having to rip CDG's!
.....Makes me think about selling my Sound Choice CDG's on Ebay and purchasing the GEM. Isn't the GEM series a lease program?? Wouldn't you rather OWN your music??
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MadMusicOne
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:23 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: MadMusicOne wrote: .....If I were just starting out, I would jump on some of the deals out there. There's definitely some ridiculously low prices compared to years past. Not only the money savings but the time savings by not having to rip CDG's!
.....Makes me think about selling my Sound Choice CDG's on Ebay and purchasing the GEM. Isn't the GEM series a lease program?? Wouldn't you rather OWN your music?? .....I've only skimmed over the details, here and there, for the last several months but I assume it would be considered more of a Lease Program. However, I could be incorrect here, you can always turn around and sell it, upon approval of Sound Choice. Which is somewhat concerning but somewhere, recently, someone posted that they were selling there GEM Series and had written permission from Sound Choice to do so. .....As for the CDG's? Sure, I would rather have the CDG's vs. MP3 Discs, SD Cards or External Hard Drive for my personal ripping/re-ripping format preference purposes or as an alternate back-up for a gig. .....I don't mind any audit by any Karaoke Manufacturer for the purpose of inspecting for their IP Content in my Music Library (Hard Drive/Computer, CDG, SD Card, etc). However, agreeing to allow any Vendor or anyone else for that matter, to snoop into my books is stretching a bit. Me, myself, I, IRS, State, Accountant and Potential Buyer (If I were selling out) would be the only people I would personally allow into my books. ......I ASSUME the reason for them to require access to your books is to see if you're MULTI-RIGGING off ONE SET OF CDG'S (Karaoke Library). Which I do understand but I can't say for sure. Although, if I were named in a law suit to show my books, I would be contacting my lawyer to see EXACTLY what my rights are. I have nothing to hide. It is whatever it is. However, you show me yours and I'll show ya mine! .....To somewhat some it up, it would be easier to just have the CDG for ripping or playing. To sell to someone else when finished and of course deleting the files from your storage, if you ripped/copied them. However, when it comes to Commercial Use, many issues arise as have been stated many times over and over, here, there and everywhere. But, in reality, when we're using a Legit Karaoke Library for or in a Commercial Setting we're really just leasing it anyways, right? ....For legal purposes, it's only an opinion...and they do vary!
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:50 pm |
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If I were getting into the business on a budget and wanted to do it legally, the GEM - whether you own or not, is the best way to do it plus you are automatically certified with it through Sound Choice. 6000 of some of the best tracks in the business (which despite what many try to claim STILL get used nightly). Like I said if I needed them, I would jump on this, if I get a mobile system working again, definitely will jump on it.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:53 pm |
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Lonman wrote: If I were getting into the business on a budget and wanted to do it legally, the GEM - whether you own or not, is the best way to do it plus you are automatically certified with it through Sound Choice. 6000 of some of the best tracks in the business (which despite what many try to claim STILL get used nightly). Like I said if I needed them, I would jump on this, if I get a mobile system working again, definitely will jump on it. That only works if you have an extra $3000.00 laying around. I am lucky, at this point if I have an extra $3.00.
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:00 pm |
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Financing.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:14 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Financing. They won't finance at the $3000 price. Besides, my credit is shot to Hell. Not to mention that until I get a gig I have no way of paying another bill.
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Bazza
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:27 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Isn't the GEM series a lease program?? Wouldn't you rather OWN your music?? Here we go! Chip, is that you? <-- Joke Time to dredge up the old argument I see. The " Licensing Agreement" works like this. License/Buy/Rent/Own/Lease, it doesn't matter what you call it because I have USE of those songs for as long as I like. "But Bazza, You have to pay FOREVER!". Yes, after 5 years I might have to pay $33 a year to re-up the license. And that's a maybe because the fee is known as a " Peppercorn Clause" and very common. Most companies do not even charge, but I wont know for another 3.5 years. Even so, $33 isn't 20 minutes at my standard rate. It wont break my bank. "Aha! But you don't USE all those songs in the set!". Maybe so, maybe not, but that is true with all sets/foundation/essentials and has nothing to do with the lease/buy argument. The bottom line is IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. I can use the GEM songs for as long as I want and even if I use them for 15 years, long after CD's are extinct, it is STILL less than if I had bought those tracks on pressed discs. I can transfer them to anyone I like, for any amount I choose as well. So the "Lease" v/s "OWN" argument is moot. This isn't a car. Honestly, if you COULD license a car or apartment for five years and keep using it forever for $33 a year thereafter, who on earth would ever buy? Whats the difference? These are karaoke songs. Not the family farm to hand down for generations. Lease/Buy, the end result is the same. I have USE of the best base set in the business, for as long as I like, for less money. That works for me.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:13 pm |
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Bazza wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Isn't the GEM series a lease program?? Wouldn't you rather OWN your music?? Here we go! Chip, is that you? <-- Joke Time to dredge up the old argument I see. The " Licensing Agreement" works like this. License/Buy/Rent/Own/Lease, it doesn't matter what you call it because I have USE of those songs for as long as I like. "But Bazza, You have to pay FOREVER!". Yes, after 5 years I might have to pay $33 a year to re-up the license. And that's a maybe because the fee is known as a " Peppercorn Clause" and very common. Most companies do not even charge, but I wont know for another 3.5 years. Even so, $33 isn't 20 minutes at my standard rate. It wont break my bank. "Aha! But you don't USE all those songs in the set!". Maybe so, maybe not, but that is true with all sets/foundation/essentials and has nothing to do with the lease/buy argument. The bottom line is IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. I can use the GEM songs for as long as I want and even if I use them for 15 years, long after CD's are extinct, it is STILL less than if I had bought those tracks on pressed discs. I can transfer them to anyone I like, for any amount I choose as well. So the "Lease" v/s "OWN" argument is moot. This isn't a car. Honestly, if you COULD license a car or apartment for five years and keep using it forever for $33 a year thereafter, who on earth would ever buy? Whats the difference? These are karaoke songs. Not the family farm to hand down for generations. Lease/Buy, the end result is the same. I have USE of the best base set in the business, for as long as I like, for less money. That works for me. This is Sound Choice we are talking about. Using this product STILL does NOT guarantee that you won't be named in a suit. I think people are looking for an iron clad plan to not have to worry. That's why I would rather use someone else's product. I do not want hassles.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:48 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: This is Sound Choice we are talking about. Using this product STILL does NOT guarantee that you won't be named in a suit. I think people are looking for an iron clad plan to not have to worry. That's why I would rather use someone else's product. I do not want hassles. Actually, GEM licensees don't have to worry about being sued at all, for a very simple reason. Since SC is the only entity authorized to distribute the GEM series, and because the license requires registration, we know exactly who all of our licensees are. The title cards distinguish the GEM series from regular CDGs. An investigator who sees the GEM series in use can easily check with SC to determine if the KJ is a GEM licensee or not. If they are a GEM licensee, then there is no reason to sue, because we know exactly what materials they have. By contrast, we have no idea who owns 90% or more of the CDGs that are in play today. Because they can be bought and sold freely in the secondary market, there is no database of CDG owners. So, if you're just starting out, and you don't want to worry about being sued, acquiring the GEM series is the best way to do that. Given the availability of an easy installment plan--and smooth, I know you're worried about your credit, but it's really not an issue; I'd be shocked to learn that they'd ever turned down someone--it's pretty close to a no-brainer for the new KJ who wants SC music.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:03 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: This is Sound Choice we are talking about. Using this product STILL does NOT guarantee that you won't be named in a suit. I think people are looking for an iron clad plan to not have to worry. That's why I would rather use someone else's product. I do not want hassles. Actually, GEM licensees don't have to worry about being sued at all, for a very simple reason. Since SC is the only entity authorized to distribute the GEM series, and because the license requires registration, we know exactly who all of our licensees are. The title cards distinguish the GEM series from regular CDGs. An investigator who sees the GEM series in use can easily check with SC to determine if the KJ is a GEM licensee or not. If they are a GEM licensee, then there is no reason to sue, because we know exactly what materials they have. By contrast, we have no idea who owns 90% or more of the CDGs that are in play today. Because they can be bought and sold freely in the secondary market, there is no database of CDG owners. So, if you're just starting out, and you don't want to worry about being sued, acquiring the GEM series is the best way to do that. Given the availability of an easy installment plan--and smooth, I know you're worried about your credit, but it's really not an issue; I'd be shocked to learn that they'd ever turned down someone--it's pretty close to a no-brainer for the new KJ who wants SC music. What are the payment terms?? Do they give you time to START paying it back?? If I didn't get a gig IMMEDIATELY I would become late on my payments. Is there a payment plan that gives you some time to start paying??
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:42 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: What are the payment terms?? Do they give you time to START paying it back?? If I didn't get a gig IMMEDIATELY I would become late on my payments. Is there a payment plan that gives you some time to start paying?? http://www.soundchoicestore.com/gem-ser ... pg-59.htmlIf you started with the Diamond series--which would give you a really strong base--you would need to put down $378 and pay $131 a month for 18 months under the easiest installment plan (lowest down payment and longest term). If you called and discussed it with the rep, you might be able to negotiate some additional time to start on the monthly payments. As you ramped up, you could add more tracks. I realize that $378 is a lot of money if you're unemployed, and so is $131 a month, so that might not be the best option for you. But instead of deciding you can't do it under those terms, call them and ask for different terms.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:46 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: What are the payment terms?? Do they give you time to START paying it back?? If I didn't get a gig IMMEDIATELY I would become late on my payments. Is there a payment plan that gives you some time to start paying?? http://www.soundchoicestore.com/gem-ser ... pg-59.htmlIf you started with the Diamond series--which would give you a really strong base--you would need to put down $378 and pay $131 a month for 18 months under the easiest installment plan (lowest down payment and longest term). If you called and discussed it with the rep, you might be able to negotiate some additional time to start on the monthly payments. As you ramped up, you could add more tracks. I realize that $378 is a lot of money if you're unemployed, and so is $131 a month, so that might not be the best option for you. But instead of deciding you can't do it under those terms, call them and ask for different terms. Thanks. I haven't made any decisions yet. Still weighing all the options. I may have to start with SGB and AH, as I can get them REALLY cheap off Amazon. Then start making some money, and see where I go from there.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:56 pm |
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If you go that way, you'll be following a well worn path. I'm glad that you've decided to do things the right way, even if it means you don't buy my client's product yet. I hope you're successful enough that you can afford it in the future. And you should listen to the folks on here. Many of them have been doing this for a long time and are more than happy to help out with advice.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:21 pm |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: If you go that way, you'll be following a well worn path. I'm glad that you've decided to do things the right way, even if it means you don't buy my client's product yet. I hope you're successful enough that you can afford it in the future. And you should listen to the folks on here. Many of them have been doing this for a long time and are more than happy to help out with advice. I actually haven't decided to use your client's products, either. I don't like where this whole thing is going, and in as much as I like the product, I don't want the hassles, or people investigating my business like I am some sort of thug. Tricerasoft offers karaoke that is licensed for commercial use. According to their site, it seems they audit your material like iTunes does. When you use it, the know it's yours. They don't come out and watch you and they aren't suing people. I understand you are trying to control piracy, but I really do not like SC's tactics. I am getting into my own business so I DON'T have people watching over me. I have had a boss all my working life. I don't want that, anymore. I don't want my vendors watching me. Just sell me the product and leave me alone. You guys ARE hurting yourselves. As more people find out they you ARE going to lose business. If I decide not to use SC and my customers ask why, I will tell them what is going on, and how I feel about it. It's nothing against you, personally, it's strictly business. I don't want my business bothered.
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:22 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Thanks. I haven't made any decisions yet. Still weighing all the options. I may have to start with SGB and AH, as I can get them REALLY cheap off Amazon. Then start making some money, and see where I go from there. I would buy one or the other, not both. All Hits & SGB have LOTS of duplication between - wast of money that be getting more songs, SGB is pretty much All Hits relabeled.
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:24 pm |
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Eyes are everywhere. Wait until you get into a club that isn't paying their PR fees.
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leopard lizard
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:28 pm |
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Being your own boss means you don't have any boss but you to take the heat from all of the new bosses you are going to have--venue owners and the patrons.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:33 pm |
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Lonman wrote: Eyes are everywhere. Wait until you get into a club that isn't paying their PR fees. That's not on me. That's on the club owner. The worst thing that happens to me is I leave the club.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:34 pm |
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leopard lizard wrote: Being your own boss means you don't have any boss but you to take the heat from all of the new bosses you are going to have--venue owners and the patrons. I am actually pretty good at pleasing people. I know I come off a bit salty here, but I am actually a very friendly, accommodating person.
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:38 pm |
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Eyes are everywhere. Wait until you get into a club that isn't paying their PR fees. That's not on me. That's on the club owner. The worst thing that happens to me is I leave the club. Not necessarily. I have watch some clubs in Eastern WA go down along with the kj from lawsuits from ASCAP. Always find out up front if the club is paying their PR fees, you'd be surprised how many do not - but these are the ones that won't advertise or push their shows - and don't want you as the kj to either to attact attention to the club. Ran into this several times over the year. How can I build a crowd if there is no advertising?
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