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Hey Athena,
...Thanks for the response and your kind offer of help, if I need it and probably will. Same offer in return. Hopefully I won't need to concern myself with anymore major investments in any Karaoke Music with the exception of updates. I've had enough of a spending spree these last couple of years playing "Catch Up" with my Music Library.

...I do support the Manufacturers (not only with my purchases) but with their fight against Piracy. I hope their efforts pay off for all of us. We all need them to continue making those Karaoke Hits that people enjoy and allows us to have the opportunity to make a buck or two.

...In the end, I do want to keep my Sound Choice CDG Collection in the lineup. Just hope I never forget to do the little "show & tell" before playing one, especially on one of those Investigative Nights.....Don't want no trouble!!! Even though I am trying to funny, I am serious. I'll just be 75% Laptop/Digital and 25% Disc-Based-Laptop-Playing-SC-CDG-Son-Of-A-Gun. Weird looking but safe, I hope?

...Keep it going, Athena and thanks again!

...I understand your opinion, I really do. However, they are one of the better brands out there. I could go through with the audit but I've expressed that I don't agree with some of the wording. However, I do still want to have them for use.

...Anyone who has ever been at one of my shows knows how nutty I act and things that I announce from time to time. Not every track that I will playing will be Sound Choice, so I will not be saying the same phrase over and over, all show long. Just have to use the creative side. Not really that big of a deal.

With all due respect to your decision(s), I won't do their "song and dance" to play the disc I've already paid for. That requirement was not part of the original purchase and I'll be dam*ed if I'm gonna operate differently out of fear of their lawsuits.

Exactly. Why should any of us have to do that nonsense. We bought our music, that's the end of it.

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MadMusicOne.
I don't think you need to hold up all SC discs and announce...just the singers ones( we always announce when we are using a singers disc and due to our set up it is VERY easy to see us load any disc). We also refuse to use anything other than original discs and post the fact on the front page of our books.
I know SC is rolling out a disc based host program that is free. I would suggest you contact them and ask about that program since you will be playing SC from disc. As my grandma always said if you don't ask the answer is always no.
It is good to see another anti-piracy host here on the forums and back in the biz

Athena

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Um, is there someone on this forum that isn't anti-piracy? Who here is pro-pirate?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

It's the old George Bush thing, except in this case it goes for Manus rather than terrorists. "If you are not with us, you are against us". If you are not pro-SC and their actions then you are pro-pirate. Didn't you get the memo??

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I think she meant to say it like this...

"It is good to see another anti-piracy host, here on the forums, and back in the biz."

See how a little punctuation changes the context of the statement?

Thank you Cueball...that little correction fixed things perfectly.....my spelling and punctuation on the forums often do leave a bit to be desired

JoeC, JoeC, JoeC....I know that you are anti-pirate but I also do think (I.M.H.O) some here are pro-pirate......As I do not wish to be banned I will not name any names.

Blessings

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
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She was right. There is no need for the commas. If you take out "here on the forums" the sentence makes no sense, so you do not need to use commas to separate the ideas.

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Why is it that some folks on this forum feel the need to repeatedly chime in about how they will never perform SC's "song and dance" because the "requirement" was not part of the orignal purchase agreement while at the same time arguing that SC owes them something for having been a customer (such as "iron clad guarantees" or special letters from SC that they could give to their venue(s) or being listed on the SC website)?

You can't have it both ways...if the transaction ended when you purchased your disk (a notion that I agree with), then SC has no further obligation to you either. You recieved your disk and that was all that was guaranteed....play them or do not play them...that is your choice. If SC now offers another service/product (such as the right to media shift or certifications or a listing on their web site) and there is an associated price, then you have every right to partake of that service/product or not, but please don't repeatedly make comments that imply others who do are somehow wrong minded...and please stop calling them belittling names (such as "cheerleader"). It does nothing to further your viewpoint (a viewpoint that we all understand due to the constant repetition of it).

LIKE

Very well said.

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How many times does this have to be explained? (You've been here a month and a half with all of 9 posts as of this one.... I don't know why I'm bothering to respond, but here goes anyway)

(1) What is owed at the very least is a guarantee that I won't be SUED for using their product in the manner in which it was intended. This is what you've conveniently ignored in your rant above or have failed to discover in these forums. The "ironclad guarantee" is only for using the DISCS I purchased in a DISC machine. Problem is, this vendor will not --- although they are in complete control -- guarantee that they will not sue their own customers, claiming the "human element" of errors made by their underqualified "investigators." Capish?

(2) SC is presenting to venues as though the only "legal" KJ's are those listed on its website and that hiring anything else "may" (note I said "may") end up getting a venue sued as well.

It's a simple way to "poison the well" against those disc customers that purchased and wish to use them without going through their paid fake auditing system. This is not a difficult concept and no one is asking them to give away the world, just make it a level playing field with DISC USERS.

Why do you seem to feel that it's somehow so unfair?



Then SC would have no right to sue disc purchasers for purchasing and using these discs right? SC's lead attorney HarringtonLaw has stated (and you should have seen this) that playing them MAY result in a KJ getting sued (and you figure out why an investigator can't see a disc....) At the very least, a customer purchasing a disc -- sold and marketed to be used in a commercial business -- should not have to be concerned that they may now be targeted for a lawsuit for using that product in the manner in which it was sold. KJ's have been sued that have played CUSTOMERS ORIGINAL DISCS. Get it now?

SC does have a consumer obligation: SC sold this product to KJ's to use commercially and is now giving venues the impression that these customers may not be legal. So apparently SC doesn't feel like the transaction has ended.
The "cheerleaders" don't see it (apparently you -- as a new cheerleader -- don't either). It is poisoning the very market against their most basic (disc) customers.

Notice that SC will not purchase back these discs at the same retail price I paid for them -- nor will they guarantee that I won't be sued for using them. They have sold me a product years ago and now are threatening that I "may be sued" if I continue to use it.

Wake up anytime..... or at the minimum learn a little more about both sides of the situation before you jump in to condemn "the other side."

Increasing your post count timberlea?


Just sayin'.....

People paid for those discs. Some don't want to pay again to rip them to their computers. As for the "cheerleader" comments, there are people here and on other forums who will literally belittle and berate those who do not agree with SC and what they are doing. Yes, those are cheerleaders. They make it out like people are pro-pirate just because they don't agree with audits and certifications.

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But the right to rip to computer is not technically yours to begin with.

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It is, if you get permission. MOST companies are giving people that permission because they understand that this is the year 2012. ONE wants to keep people in the dark ages and charge them for that same permission. I am having no problem getting permission from other companies to shift their music and use it commercially, even CB gave me permission to rip my SGB series and my single Dave Matthews CB disk ( I have read that CB does not require an audit if you have 10 or less of THEIR discs). PHM has stopped doing audits, and is allowing shifting. I got that from Sevarin. The only stipulation, with all of them is to keep your discs. Well, I have all my discs. SC is the ONLY company now, that is giving people a hard time about it. This is why there is animosity against them. This is why there are some who would rather put their SC away then use them for shows.

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First, that statement regarding mediashifting has NOT been decided when it comes to karaoke discs, so it's not set in concrete. SC is also not guaranteeing that you won't be sued for using DISCS.... in a disc player. So SC is by no means some victimized "angel" in all of this. Their precious "Convenant Not To Sue" is a prime example of that where they can't give you permission to commit copyright infringement, but instead, tell you you can transfer the contents of your purchase to a secondary copy and that they won't sue you for it.

How different would it be if a publisher actually did file a suit against a KJ -- or even the threat of one with a cease and desist letter to you AND your casino -- for making that copy?

Would you continue to use these ripped copies?

Chippy, for someone who says or thinks he knows all, exactly where does it say in the Copyright Act or any other Act, does it say copying (media shifting or any other form of copying) is okay for commercial use? There are exceptions but this is not one.

In all the cases, not one IP lawyer who supposedly think this would be okay has taken a case to court for a "court ruling". If, in your opinion, it's a slam dunk, one would think it would have happened by now.

So what you are saying and what is happeneing are completely different. Just because you say things and go on ad nauseum, doesn't mean it's true.

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Back at ya.

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