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Personally I dont have a problem with the manu's that decide media-shiifting is not allowed. I just want everyone to sit back and not jump to conclusions YET

Athena

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Karaoke would be less pirated than mp3 because the demand is way less, so not a bad idea at all, take the middle man out of the process, then there'd be no "rights", be it lyrics, music, or swipes. Sure would make things easier for everybody.

you know the publishers were sitting in the background watching the karaoke manufactures lawsuits to see if they were gonna start recouping any loses. now that is happening and so it's time for the publishers to make their money from the karaoke manu's and companies profiting from sales of the karaoke music.....

they are in a loosing industry to and need to make some money also!!!!!!

when that all dries up and they put the manu's out of business, then they will come after the smaller karaoke hosts that are still profiting from their unliscensed music.....

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It's all good!

As I recall, the music industry has been full of east coast mafia types for years..

They have few problems extorting money from individuals, eh?

http://aishamusic.wordpress.com/2007/11 ... the-mafia/

I, for one, will be waiting over here for our apology. We've spent the better part of the last two years saying exactly this...that the manufacturers that were pointing fingers at the KJs have been selling unlicensed music for years, and we have taken so much abuse from the Cheerleaders and manufacturer supporters it's not even funny. We've been called names...had nasty insinuations made about us...all because we stuck to our guns and didn't stand idly by with our wallets out waiving our Karaoke flags and singing Sound Choice uber alles.

I'm not happy about the state of Karaoke, but frankly, I think I'm entitled to one little "I told you so."

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Birdofsong

Nahhhhh! We're entitled to a big fat one!

Why? I know I never said everything a manufacturer was licenced. I'm not that stupid. I have said is that it is between the publishers and manufacturers. They do something wrong and get nailed, sobeit. Their problem, not mine. If an edict came down remove songs that are in violation then again sobeit.

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Thanks Lonman for bringing this to our attention.

Question TO ALL:

If a KJ wanted to start ALL OVER AGAIN FROM SCRATCH, where do you even begin to be legal?

Sing on American Idol..

Seriously JD? As a MODERATOR i'd expect something MORE from YOU.

Believe it or not it was a valid question.

I'd say in this present environment, save your money. Why would you want to jump into this current industry turmoil? DJ, Trivia, Bingo, anything but karaoke, it's only going to get worse it appears.

No, I don't believe that it is. Karaoke is one of the hotest forms of entertainment and a money maker for bars. It's not going anywhere.

Now, has anything ever been on the up and up? From politicians to corporate executives, there has always been some degree of coruption, right?! That's just the way it is, and this should come as no surprise. Whether intentional or not, it's not our problem.

So, keep hosting, pay for your music, and be the best that you can be. Life is too short to worry about nonsense!

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You are all making a big deal out of nothing when it comes to the GEM series. ESo very single set was licensed for World Wide distribution BEFORE the rules changed. The fact that current MCPS licenses don't include North America means squat anything licensed before the cut off date falls under the old license permantly. There is absolutely nothing the publishers can do about that. Sp therefore it doesn't matter how many of the tracks were unlicensed before hand, they are fully paid for now

It doesn't matter what you think of the practice in terms of fairness to the publishers, or the morality of using a loophole to circumvent US practices *which are stupid and unfair in the first place in my not so humble opinion* the fact is from a legal standpoint, they are in the clear as far as the GEM series is concerned.

we now return you to your regularly schedule paranoia and misinformation.

Yep, I remember Chartbuster claiming they had all of the proper licensing too - right before they partnered up with some other company to sue KJs for not having proper licensing to "media-shift".

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Don't thank me, I just copied from another forum from a SC supporter. I just thought it was of interest.

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Karaoke - well bar business in general is dying big time in this area. Our gas prices shot up almost $.25 per gallon over the weekend (the station by my house is now over $5 per). We have been deader than ever for the last couple months in 20 years & I have been hearing the same from other bars (staff and dj/kj's) as well. Karaoke itself may not be dying, but the people that support it sure aren't coming out anymore. But they aren't coming out for dj or live music as much either.
It's getting to the point I am actually looking into going back to school for something & dropping karaoke altogether.

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Business has gradually gotten slower for bars around here too over the past couple of years or so. However the singer to non-singer ratio has increased, which leads me to believe that the karaoke is the only thing keeping some places afloat. When business picks up again, I expect karaoke to pick up with it. After all, every year there is a new group of twenty-one-year-olds initiated into the karaoke addiction. When the economy improves, they will be better able to feed that addiction.

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Uhm, why was I quoted twice in the mentions of owing an apology?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Personally, I am getting more inquiries for karaoke in the past few weeks than I have in the previous two years. I think it is a direct result of bars seeing a drop in business and they are looking for ways to bring people in. Only time will tell if it is a short or long term gain, but I am going to take advantage of every opportunity that I can while they are available.

I am meeting with two more venues tomorrow and in both cases, they contacted me.

@Birdofsong - I think firing off "I told you so" is in bad form. Especially when it doesn't even apply to the current situation. The long term complaints I saw from you, but mostly Chip, had to do with Sound Choice tactics and Certification. Chip may have brought up the "how can you support the manufacturer fight against pirates when they are themselves pirates?" arguement, but he wasn't warnign people, he was attacking them. If the bothof you had been warning people and they had not heeded it, maybe an "I told you so" would apply. Instead, all I have ever seen if both of you beating up on those that are positive and try to promote the industry as a whole. Now it appears you want to kick people while they are down and in there is a lot of churn going on. Nice show of character there.

Regardless, I believe people are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is. The manufacturers are certainly going to take a hit. But when you consider that DigiTrax is new and has an opportunity to start at "Go" with licensing in order and Sound Choice is looking to start producing again and they too can start at "Go" with their licensing in order, that means properly licensed music for us.

@Lonman - Always good to have a Plan B and continuing education is always good, but I wouldn't give up on Karaoke just yet.

-Chris

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You tell me I have a lack of character in the same breath that you personally attack me? Remember, I didn't call anyone out here specifically. You're a funny guy.

I'm not kicking anybody, and I'm certainly not the reason they're down. I'm just feel I'm justified in saying -- hey -- we've been bullied for a very long time every time we've mentioned anything negative about the manufacturers, and frankly, you owe us an apology. I'm due. Sorry you don't think so, but the fact that you took my comment like it was directed at you personally is what truly speaks volumes.

Carry on. By the way -- bashing someone who isn't here anymore to defend themselves is in very poor form.

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