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Except when they accidentally sue you anyway. But, of course, if you skip and prance around the bar, showing everyone your original disc and announcing over the microphone every time you use one, that probably won't happen.

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Birdofsong

And excepting that has only happened a very, very, very small percentage of times, most reasonable people have nothing to be concerned with.

-Chris

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I don't know what you are rambling about.

I haven't had to pay anyone "more" to keep using anything. Have you?
Nobody has inspected anything of mine nor has it been requested. Have you?

Are you saying that SC is not doing audits and charging audit fees? Did someone hit you over the head?

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Birdofsong

Neither have happened to me. Have they happened to you?

I'm not sure why Bazza does this when talking about SC, audits and fees, but he is GEM lessee. He didn't go through an audit and therefore paid no audit fee yet is listed as a certified host due to his GEM lease.

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Must have. This red herring has been introduced into dozens of topics to date. No one could hang on to something that long if it hadn't happened to them.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Actually, not true. Simply owning the GEM series does not put you on the "SC certified" list.

Note they are two different lists: http://www.soundchoicestore.com/certifi ... pg-69.html



Exactly. When someone posts a broad brush claim that everyone is having to "pay again", I take issue because it simply isn't true.

Are you promising me a free shift with no audit?! Goody. You're a real gem.

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Birdofsong

Didn't you originally purchase SC discs, then trade them on for partial credit towards the GEM lease and pay the balance on the GEM?

If they request payment due to the peppercorn clause in your lease you will then have to pay again to use albeit a small fee.

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Actually, not true.
Note there are separate categories listed on the "certified hosts" page.
Simply purchasing the entire gem series does indeed put you on the "certified hosts" list on the "certified hosts" page.

Harringtonlaw has stated before that gem series purchasers are "certified" by default.

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KNOW THYSELF

Just to clarify--if you purchase a GEM license, you are considered "certified" as to that material only, and only for the number of systems you license. If you have other non-GEM material you would like to shift, you will need to go through certification for that material in order to be fully certified.

Yet, I am not on that list. Seems your assumption is false.



As an early adopter I was offered full retail price for my Bricks & Foundation discs that I bought on eBay. I chose to take them up on their offer and actually made money on them. This does not qualify as "paying twice". It qualifies as "making a profit".



First, it's a BIG "if". I will let you know for sure in 2.5 years.

Second, are you honestly saying that all this noise is about a potential $33 a year fee?

NO and I'm not saying that and you know it. I was just saying that your GEM situation is different than others wanting to shift/use SC material.

Are you saying that you can purchase additional SC material not available in the GEM series and use them in your show without paying for or going through an audit?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

OK that makes sense. BTW, not all of my SC songs are from the GEM series.



I am now, as I have a few stray SC discs. I have not been contacted about an audit. I will be sure to let you know when they come knocking.

Only for media shifting. Those of us using OMD aren't worried. And before you bring up ad nauseum that case well that was resolved. Before you go on about that SC needs to be perfect, just how perfect are your police forces and prosecutors. Do they hit the 100% conviction rate? I think not, and the accused do not get their legal fees back.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

So are you saying the few stray SC discs you have that you are playing them from their original media?

Or are you saying that SC has granted you additional rights to media/format shift SC content other than the content you purchased in the GEM series?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Building a case? Why do I feel like I should be handcuffed and blindfolded under a bare light bulb?

Here, I will make it easy for you:

HEAR YE, HEAR YE!

I, Bazza, being of semi-sound mind and body, do hereby admit freely to all present, THAT I HAVE SHIFTED THREE SC DISCS! <The crowd GASPS! Bazza looks as if a GREAT WEIGHT has been lifted!>

No. I have not been granted any special privileges that I know of. <The crowd is AGHAST!>

Being a GEM licensee, SC know's who I am, where I live and where I work. I will let you know when they come knocking. <The crowd begins lighting torches!>

And if they do? <The crowd leans in closer....>

I will show them my discs. <The crowd begins to dissipate...>

(Quick Bird! Take a screen shot! )

No I'm not building a case I was just curious.

Things at SC change, sometimes without any kind of notice, and I was uncertain of their policy in regards to GEM lessees. Being an early adopter they could have easily told you, yeah go ahead and shift we're not worried about you and then later change that policy.

I'm sorry you felt that you should be "handcuffed and blindfolded under a bare light bulb".

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Wasn't the OP, "What are the policies?" and not "Should I follow the policies?" I would hope that if it is the latter, one would consult a lawyer over the forum.