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It would make sense for the actual record companies/producers release their own karaoke versions. It would save on the hassle of karaoke manus making unlicensed product - so if they see it on any other label they'd know right off it wasn't legit.
Taylor Swift is (or at least her record company) very smart in that respect. Double sales for a lot of people, original cd & then karaoke cdg - for the same price usually. Really surprised more companies haven't jumped on releasing karaoke versions of their full albums over the years.

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Exactly. Sell the original tracks separately in each and every flavor the way Karaoke-Version and others already do the covers.

Win win for everyone involved.
1) Original recording.
2) No lead Vocal
3) No backing Vocal
4) No lead guitar
5) No Bass guitar
6) No Keyboards
7) Karaoke w backing vocal
Karaoke No backing vocal
etc . . .
Sell the same song 10 different times . . . seems like a no brainer.

Unfortunately, the powers that be in the music industry are still grappling to get their heads around the dramatic change from 78rpm to 33 1/3rpm so it might be a long time before they manage to leave the 19th century for the 21st

And of course the real reason we will most likely not see widespread original artist karaoke on already released songs is because virtually all contracts have clauses requiring contract renegotiation between some or all involved parties for any changes to content or distribution.
This opens the monumental can of worms. Songwriters & Performers who feel they were cheated by their past treatment by record companies would most surely hold hostage the split tracks they have a legal say in to try to force a renegotiation of their original contracts.

From that perspective, the record companies would probably not be tripping over themselves trying to offer the split tracks as it would put their extorted artist concessions at risk.

And then there are the lawyers.

Y0re not saying karaoke manus would cheat are you?

Press/burn unlicensed CD+G material?

Never happen..

People who compare speeding (and I don't --- cruise control) with illegal file sharing have no understanding of the specifics of what is being discussed.

Now that you've shown your lack of comprehension... perhaps you'd like to contribute something to the conversation?[/q

So you use speed control in a 30 mph speed zone? 45? Are you saying there is a difference in what law's we break?

And for someone to try and convince others that they NEVER speed..WHY? OH I Have Speed Control...doesn't understand the true meaning of admitting when there wrong... WE ALL SPEED at some time are another, just admit...

My point being we all break law's, YOU may not share illegal files but i'm sure there are other things that YOU do wrong...so why point fingers?

but i think what he is commenting on are tracks that WERE out but because Sony has their panties in a bunch have been pulled. some never came out, but the ones that you can sing at any pirate show (read as 95% of shows according to SC) but not mine...

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Your point is irrelevant. The subject matter of this thread is the continuing pattern of litigation that is reducing and eliminating available karaoke tracks.

My statement about illegal file sharing was very specific and relevant to the subject we are discussing.

Your statement was simply a criticism of how I said it.

Ask anyone here if they feel that they are being "forced" to resort to file sharing (theft) in order to obtain karaoke tracks. (Hint: there is one)

It is pointless to compare it to speeding. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I'll admit that I do exceed the speed limit occasionally and I even got a ticket last summer on my way home from a show because I hit resume on my cruise control when the speed limit hadn't gone back up after the last traffic light. So what. I'll tell you this; my speeding hasn't effected the karaoke industry in the slightest.

There were no fingers being pointed by me at any individual. I can't do anything about what you make up in your head. I also can't stop you from sideswiping the thread with useless babble.

Back on topic --- Max, would you like to contribute your thoughts and opinions regarding the subject matter of the thread?

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As a side thing...........I am happy to see that Karaoke version has been pretty much untouched by this crap!! I am still finding lots of stuff there. YAY!! A bit more expensive, but I can still buy by the song.

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But even that has been an issue since the start of karaoke - Pioneer lost a lot of stuff when they redid their laserdiscs & cdc/dvd additions. But like Joe said if the songs were out, it may be harder to locate legally, but can be found - eventually.

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I'm betting it's only a matter of time before they get caught up. Even SBI cannot do downloads anymore for the 'no fly' artist/publishers, but they can allow many of those on custom discs.

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I don't know if Karaoke version will make many adjustments. They are in France and must operate on a different set of rules as England. It would probably take a successful attempt to restrict internet access before they would do anything.

I would like to add to my comment regarding disc availability and future direct publisher / owner production.

I also believe that when future "new style " production commences, it will be on hard media only. Might not be discs, but hard- and better copyright protected- media of some sort.

Digital downloads may be preferred by many KJs for ease of access and lower costs, but the hackability has been proven a losing proposition for the production companies. Happy customers are not profitable if the make up only ten percent of those using their music.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

The counterfeit product will be forced to improve and soon you will not be able to tell the difference. There are plenty of folks who could copy Sound Choice discs exactly as they were produced originally. As long as there is a market for discs, somebody will produce them if there is enough profit to be made from it. New content will NOT be on plastic discs, it will either be through an online interface or through downloads that are locked to specific serialized hard drives. There are enough smart people to make all that happen if they think it's worth it. If not, piracy will continue with downloads and nothing will change and we'll be discussing this in 2015, 2016, 2017 and on and on.

I dunno. With cheap hi capacity thumb drives and cards available and easy to protect, I can see this as a possible option.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Nope. Look at what the software companies are doing. They gave up long ago trying to copy protect software discs. For a long time they just accepted a certain amount of piracy as well - gasp - sued large scale piracy operations. The softeware section at retailers is a LOT smaller these days even though more software is being produced than ever before. Now, the Cloud has become a savior for the software industry because it requires online connectivity to a validation server to enable usage. Now you have to have a paid for account so the hackers are resorting to skimming cards or otherwise obtaining someone else's account info.

Nothing on physical media is safe from piracy and piracy is growing, not shrinking.

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i think we are going to begin seeing a big split between the pro industry (us) and the personal industry (our singers).
in the last year digital album sales dropped some, physical album sales dropped more, and digital track sales dropped a bit. the big change.....artists began pulling download rights for not just karaoke, but itunes and amazon as well and going towards streaming (spotify, lastfm, etc), an industry that has shot up 54% in one year. so are people buying less music...yes. are they just stealing it...no. the private sector seems to like streaming or on demand services for their music (one monthly subscription vs buying individual tracks) and the artists jumped on with both feet. but for us, the infrastructure is not there yet for it to be a viable option for karaoke shows....yet. the biggest drop last year was in Japan. Sony is hanging on tight to the physical media method and the customers do not want it so they just did not buy (streaming services are not as strong for some reason there).
then again, artists have begun pulling their music from streaming services and returning to digital download only (aside from the hipster and psudo lumberjack crowd loving vinyl, physical media has not gotten any boost) so who knows.

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Good Article that supports what Paradigm posted -

http://www.wsj.com/articles/itunes-musi ... 1414166672

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Actually, the technology to do the "Mission Impossible" deal ( that is, to cause a drive to self - erase if an attempt to copy is made) for some time, which is why it is more of an option. Obviously, these drives would have to be used at work, as they can't be loaded on to a PC. Can't do it on anything else that I know of - but then, I 'm a luddite and not informed of new developments.

Still no use to me, unless the tracks are produced in .WAV or similar files.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Self-erasing is a function of the hardware and unless it gets mandated by the government (which would cause a serious backlash in the computing community) it will never happen. On top of that, hardware can still be circumvented and it would be in a scenario like that.

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I seriously doubt it. The margins are just too to tight to use hardware when you can distribute electronically for a tremendous amount less. Hard copies have already gone the way of the Dodo. For a manufacture to go back to last century technology would be financial suicide at this point.