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I agree with Lonnie about bad internet. I constantly lose service at my Monday night show. Another problem with the streaming idea is what do you do about the singer who gets 20 to 30 seconds into a song and realizes that a) it's not the version they thought it was, b) they can't sing it, c) they ask me to change the key and start over, d) they miss the cue and ask you to start over and with the first couple they ask to change the song. Should I have to pay for the song twice if I restart it or should I still have to pay for it if the singer bails and wants a different song for what ever reason? Do I tell my singers no you can't change your song and I can't start over for any reason unless they are willing to pay for me to do so? Talk about bookkeeping disaster and a nightmare for all concerned....

Lon and Karen, I agree but I don't think they will be concerned with your internet issues. It's about method of distribution and accountability. The venue (or you) can hardwire the connection instead of wireless, just a matter of running Cat wire to your position, that's fairly inexpensive. If the publishers team up with bmi, etc. and require streaming karaoke or be fined for infraction, it'll be another revenue opportunity for the pro fee collectors, and you better believe they would be all over enforcement. There would be your authority to make sure everybody plays by the same rules, which is what everyone has been demanding. It can't be a single manufacturer or law enforcement, or it will be just like it is now. My opinion.

As for the "Juke Boxes", they are run by the infamous East Coast group.. <Name Redacted>
so good luck with that accountability..

I think it's important to recognize that any "forced" streaming would apply only to new releases. Materials that are out on legitimate hard media can't be controlled in that way.

Wireless, wired - doesn't matter. Internet still goes down and isn't always reliable. Like I said - IF it ever came down to be where streaming was the only legal method, I'd get out of the business, so no revenue to be made from me. Wouldn't matter what kind of internet was in.

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Wouldn't matter, even if that was the case - I'm done!

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I would stay in if Streaming were the only option for new tracks simply because I have been prepping for that all along.

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Smart guy Chris Avis,and that's what I meant, new music. Don't think they could make you stream the old stuff, especially if it's not available.

Again wouldn't matter to me. I get a lot of new stuff too, but it's not worth it. And yes I'm one of those dino's that like to have the physical worthless plastic for backup!

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I see it as common sense and obvious more than smart. I have been telling people on this forum for years that physical media is dead. All you have to do is look at what the industry is doing (or not doing). Consumers are buying digital downloads and streaming. They are cutting the cord on cable and satellite and moving to streaming services for TV content. iTunes is wildly successful. Spotify and Pandora are everywhere (even new cars!). There are new services popping up regularly.

Watch the industry and watch the consumer and you will see a lot. And don't limit yourself to the demographic you sit in or the demographics of your current customer base. You will never get younger and your crowds will change.

In my case, I simply got ahead of the game by making sure that I can support streaming and downloads basically from the beginning.

I fully expect to make a mint off my new Karaoke Consulting service btw....

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Downloads I don't mind a bit, i'll do that all day long - I get something for my money. Streaming I feel is a waste and do not like the gamble that it may be there one day & not the next plus internet reliability not always great. Again I've had nights where I couldn't even access the internet. The club I work at now had their internet crash last Thursday, it was down the entire day/night. Yes I am set up to stream as well, I just don't want to if it gets to that point!

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But Chris when the ONLY way those songs are or were available is on hard media/plastic then we have to possess them to be legal. The media is dead but the requirement is not.

What Karaoke Consulting service are we referring to?

The consulting business was a joke. (for now.....ya never know)

I agree on the old stuff. But given that there are still a bunch of companies making backing tracks AND the publishers could easily release karaoke tracks by dropping the vocals from masters (depending on how old they are) AND places like KV, SBI, ZOOM, Sunfly, MR. E, are all releasing older tracks, I think we will have even the old classics available for streaming.

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availability is a good point for streaming.
sing a song, then tomorrow night they can't sing it because it has been pulled. this was the issue with Karaoke Cloud, Garth, Prince, Aerosmith, Chicago, Clapton, Adele, Foo Fighters, Green Day, Jewel, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Paul Simon, etc...
big names that get done all the time are already no longer available, and anytime someone goes on the list...boom, you are out of luck overnight. how do you keep any kind of book...paper or online, if the players keep changing and mostly without notice?

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The player that I saw in Las Vegas was featured "Tethered Streaming". The tracks are already on a SSD for instant access. It only needs internet connection one a moth to verify subscription and refresh database of new songs. New songs are added to the drive the moment they are added to the play list.

Hey don't knock the idea, if I had the spare cash I would totally pay for someone to come down to my area and help me with training, marketing and all those other areas where I am severely lacking.

-James

Fight streaming karaoke all the way and insist on PDO as the way forward . . . Pay-Download-Own or RTO - Rent to Own.

$5.50 a song outright would be more than fair for commercial use. You paid for it, you own it.

Don't have wads of cash? 15 cents a song pay as you go till you've played it 50 times then you own it at 7.50 more than enough for the extra logistical fees.

All very easy to track and maintain with the infrastructure currently in place.

I can see the karaoke streaming media companies following the model of netflix where you can't stream an entire series at 1 time ie Die Hard - available to stream, Die Hard 2 - available to stream - Die Hard >2 Sorry no stream but you can pay more and get them in the hard copy subscription.

BS like that and "Featured Artists" this month that disappear and are not available next month.

This whole trend in every walk of life to force us into indentured servitude where we own nothing needs to be pushed back in the bottle.

I'm so damn tired of listening to media moguls spew the "We're making 10,000 (insert movies - tv shows - songs here) available to you for only 99.99 a month! What a great Deal!"
9,928 total pieces of crap that no one has watched or listened to in the 50 years they've had them along with 100 great channels where you get to pay to watch nothing but commercials on 70 of them.

I'm with Lonman - If this stream Karaoke BS takes hold and forces out all the old school sellers I'm done.