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Come down off your horse!! Why should the publishers always have the upper hand?? Why should we, as KJs have to suffer for all this nonsense?? None of this is our fault, or our doing. We are paying for our songs, and need material to buy. Would you rather people pirate their songs, or actually pay for their songs, but go around the damn brick wall to do it??

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

i get it, but i see the other side too.
my uncle in Edmonton buys the track and sends it to me, the publisher gets the rate that they agreed to on paper for Zoom to make that song. all rights holders get paid the rate they agreed to on paper, Zoom gets the rate they agreed to on paper, and i play a purchased song.

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if they go through TOR, the song gets bought. the publisher gets the rate that they agreed to on paper for Zoom to make that song. all rights holders get paid the rate they agreed to on paper, Zoom gets the rate they agreed to on paper, and i play a purchased song.

either way, everyone down the line gets paid what they agreed to on paper.

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Here's the problems you've addressed as I see it:
(a) The songs, lyrics and synch rights belong to the publisher(s). It's rooted in their intellectual property.
(b) You're right... he KJ's didn't make the karaoke versions did they?
(c) It's not your doing because you're not the one who's supplying the market. So that means it must be....
(d) "We" might be paying, but it's apparent that the publishers aren't receiving, otherwise if they were, you probably wouldn't even know they exist. Based on the track records of the manufacturers in this business, can you blame them?

I'll be in Australia starting next week, anything you need picked up?

The first time I ever heard of tor is when Chris mentioned it in his post. A google search revealed their website which I happily passed on to Smooth since he was interested in it. However, both Internet Explorer and Google Chrome have similar programs built into their browsers that allow you to surf the web anonymously. Google calls it "Incognito" and IE calls it "In Private". Don't know if it's exactly the same as tor though since I've never tired it.

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Those features are not the same and will not allow you to download from geo-fenced sites.

The Chrome/Firefox/IE "Private" browser option simply turn off some data collection features like cookies that can help a remote site identify you.

TOR uses a modified Firefox browser to do that plus set up proxies to mask your physical location as well. It is a great tool for privacy (even though the FBI and other government agencies run their own TOR proxies).

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-Chris

TOR accesses whats called "The Deep Web", and you can find a lot so crazy stuff in there, almost all of it illegal or nasty. It's the digital black market if you will. The prevailing currency is BitCoins, untraceable currency that has no country or origin. I will say, The Deep Web is not for the faint of heart, as most people who deal from there are a tad worse then shady. Dealers on there would probably laugh you off, because, karaoke is not really enough of a hard core illegal item for them. But then again, they do trade heavily with Movies and all, so who knows.

TM

All this cloak 'n dagger stuff is just too much work.

Why not use the same business model first unveiled by sound choice in 2009?

All you need is a contact in England....

Send them money, they buy the track(s) you want and they email them to you...

It is then "technically" the same as the Gem series: protected under the "First Sale Doctrine" because the publishers are paid, the "first sale" is made in England, etc....

That would work for physical goods. It doesn't work for digital goods because emailing means making a copy, and first sale doesn't apply.

You may not realize it, but the Europeans are blocked from the US sites the same way. Whether it be a simple clip from Jimmy Fallon or any other TV show..."Sorry, this content is unavailable in your country"....Want to buy a song on iTunes? Sorry, this song is only available in the US iTunes store"...

It has always been this way...

And who exactly is going to police this?.....

Not you.

Have a Nice Day.

Commercial sites are, private email is not.

You implied that the procedure you suggested is legal. Whether it's policed or not, it's not legal.

Take a look in a mirror, the issue of "policed" vs "legal" never seemed to stop you...


But then again, your gem license indemnifies you against this "not legal" activity and pushes all the liability directly onto your licensees... while you reassure them that you believe "the chances of them asking are small to begin with."

It's extremely easy to minimize risk - when it's not your risk.

I'd rather do it that way than to try to purposely try to bypass the IP restriction if I were so inclined.

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Except that, until the digital laws catch up, digital "possessions" can't be sold or transfered. The scheme of getting something outside of a "good-faith" purchase most likely will remain... My concern in this area, is if I pass the biz to the kids... They can only received the disc portion of my show (which means their NEWEST music would be from 2011... Still a pretty good legacy, but seriously lacking!

I have a business to run. I need songs when I need them. Sorry, I am not the paragon of virtue that you are. I am paying for the damn things, so everyone who needs to make their money is!! You can have fun limiting yourself.

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

UmmmUmm. So you don't have a "business" to run, you have a "family" to run? The way I look at it, if it is a means of survival it should be above board! Singers wanting songs doesn't constitute an emergency, that requires risking a valid business. Just sayin'...

I would disagree. I believe that they can be transferred.

Obviously!
Lol, yeah i'm not limiting anything, just don't try to fly in under the radar. I have stuff you WISH you had. As far as needing it now - if I can get it now - great. I'm not going to lose a customer if I cannot get it right now - and if I do, chances are they weren't worth having to begin with. If the songs aren't available now, I will purchase other ways rather than manipulating around a blcoked IP.

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