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8)... Just for the longest time you didn't want to accept the fact SC's licensing is a form of amnesty for a payoff without even an audit conducted. The very same idea I put forward and was roundly attacked for even suggesting...

8) I think I'm more concerned with integrity than SC seems to be, I was in business many years and never sued. Getting back to you Chris hasn't SC brought it's problem to the the table without properly figuring out how to implement their solution? That is why they have had so much trouble with their legal process. Even though they have been at it 5 years now there are more pirates than when they started, it is a failure and a net loser. Maybe instead trying to punish hosts they should have spent more time modernizing their delivery system.

SC's own agents ripped them off not to mention CAVS is suing them besides. It seems to me before you can go and sue others you should have your own legal house in order. It would appear SC has a load of problems on the table with few solutions that are workable. Then you expect hosts to support a system with so many problems. Maybe it's time to go back to the drawing board.

P.S. Mountain when you are talking about SC licensing GEM are you also including the over 3,000 tracks EMI says they have no right to license? Isn't that sort of a blanket license for material they don't own, or haven't paid the proper fees to produce? If the injunction is put into effect won't the net result be the GEM license holders will have to return their product for destruction?

I don't pretend to know or understand what Sound Choice should or shouldn't do to resolve their legal woes. I recognize that I am neither qualified nor capable of solving them instead of using those problems as crutch to prop up misplaced arguments like you do. You have no real suggestions for resolving the issues that plague working KJ's so you fall back on holding SC to the fire as if that will distract people from the issues that can do something about.

LR you're already complaining about a one time $150 fee from SC...

LR you're already complaining about a one time $150 fee from SC. I'd love to see what you'd say if there was a national organization similar to AVLA in Canada or even ASCAP that charged anywhere from $200-300 a year for a licence to media shift or whatever.

What I don't understand tim since you have over double the number of discs required for the free SC audit, why haven't you applied? Is is because you are up in Canada, and feel you don't need it? Is it because you don't want to go through the process of an audit? You don't even audit yourself for free to get your certification. Don't you want to say you are the only SC certified host in Canada?

8) No audit is required to license the GEM series. After you have licensed it, the host is relieved of having to go through an audit. The whole legal process is set up so those that did not purchase the SC product can have access to the library without the need for an audit. Unless of course they add several more venues and rigs to their business. Then that would require more sets of GEM. Only the hosts that have a huge library of discs that were transferred to a HD are required to have an audit. That is to insure that they did indeed buy their material that was shifted. I should say required to get certification and avoid the risk of being named in one of SC's mass host suits.

The red section is absolutely not true.

The GEM series is not an all inclusive collection of Sound Choice material. There are MANY tracks from the Sound Choice library that do not exist on the GEM. The only way to legally acquire those is to obtain the disc on which the track exists.

Thus, if someone were to license a GEM and then purchase ANY number of Sound Choice discs and wish to media shift those discs, they would be required to get permission from Sound Choice and that comes in the form of an audit.

Furthermore, as a GEM licensee, I am not relieved of my obligation to provide updates to Sound Choice regarding my 2% variances when I buy discs as per my audit agreement. I have even discussed with Kurt about doing an update audit to ensure I have inventoried correctly and they have the most accurate info.

Now in practice, I can't say what Sound Choice actually does with regards to GEM licensees that then buy additional Sound Choice discs. But for you to say "the host is relieved of having to go through an audit. " is mis-information if not an outright lie.

In my opinion, you are intentionally attempting to mislead other people with your continued posting of mis-informatrion.

To the best of my knowledge, you have never spoken to Sound Choice or Kurt about what is actually expected and required.

To the best of my knowledge, you are NOT a GEM licensee nor have you been through an SC audit, nor do you even have any SC material.

To the best of my knowledge, you are full of <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>.

-Chris

8) No audit is required to license the GEM series. After you have licensed it, the host is relieved of having to go through an audit.