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Back on topic. I believe Harrington has had his "new" petition to practice pro hac vice in the Tara King case in Vegas ordered approved in Document 13 by the court yesterday, July 29th 2013.

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And there is also lots of smuggling. So because illegals and smuggled goods get in (because you can't get them all, then according to you Customs and Immigration should be disbanded. Heck, since a lot of people get away with crimes, then law enforcement and the courts should be disbanded too. Now I see it, you just have a defeatist attitude. It explains a lot. Realists understand you can't get them all but if you stop trying then anarchy reigns.

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I have a Ground Hog that likes to BURROW holes in my garden. Maybe he isn't really burrowing holes, but he's burrowing for that cup of sugar Bazza keeps BORROWING.

Sorry for the misspelling cue, I never claimed to be an expert with a computer sometimes I hit the wrong keys.

STALK MUCH???????

NO!!!! I do not believe that Customs and Immigration should be disbanded I believe that we ought to build a very large fence across our borders and keep illegals out with deadly force if needed!

First of all you don't live in an area where you are bombarded with the gang wars that are happening on the border ON BOTH SIDES because of illegals! So don't tell me that you know what is happening down here. You just don't get it. I don't see Canada worrying about illegals sneaking across their border, taking their jobs and causing trouble.
If you think I have a defeatist attitude your dead wrong.

Don't you have anything better to do than judge other people? It seems that is all your posts do. You have the most negative attitude towards people and their posts that I have ever seen.

The whole point is to change the laws to better serve man no to hinder him further.
What I said was that trying to stop piracy is in the same category as stopping illegal immigration, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, try as they might!

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Doesn't matter. I have USE of them for as long as I like (forever), for less money than the person who "purchased" them.


I suppose, but who in their right mind wouldn't re-license? It will most likely be free or at absolute WORST cost me $33. I will let you know in under two years.


No. Your sugar gets used until it's gone. A lease (like a car) has a finite end date. I have a perpetual bag of sugar that never runs out. I can use it forever, even though I don't legally own it. "License" or "Own" I have the same end result and it still tastes as sweet.

The whole "But you don't OWN it!" line is based on fear anyway. I can USE the discs for as long as I like for less than the cost of ownership, and lets be honest. CD's, DVD's and for that matter MP3+G's are not going to live on forever. Just like wax cylinders, 8-tracks, cassettes and vinyl they will also be replaced by better technology in the decades to come. In 20 years or less, it wont matter whether someone OWNS or LICENSES today's karaoke music as they too will be in the basement collecting dust with the VHS tapes. Yet I will have have paid less over that time and had the exact same songs to use as the guy who paid 3X more.


I suppose, but that isn't why I became a licensee. I wanted the best, highest quality, most faithful to the originals base set in the Karaoke world and that is Sound Choice no doubt...and I couldn't be happier.

Do you sleep with your GEMs?? I have never seen anyone kiss up to the Sound Choice brand more than you. It's funny, while they are pining away for their long lost profits, other companies are stepping up to the plate and making music that is just as faithful if not MORE faithful to the original. Zoom is one, Karaoke Version is another. Even SBI is better than most of the crap-i-oke that is out there today. Sound Choice is missing the boat.

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I find it incredibly amusing that someone liking a product (and a karaoke product on a karaoke forum no less), is somehow "kissing up" to the manufacture. Its a great deal on a fantastic product. Shame you are blind to that. I wanted quality and the best, and I got it. Others are happy to settle for less.

I guess this means Lon "kisses up" to Lexicon? After all he is a big fan and promotes the Lexicon Alpha quite a bit. For shame!



Agreed. All of which has nothing to with the GEM which is a base set. You wont find a better, more faithful karaoke base set than the GEM's. Call it "kissing up", but its the truth.

Thanks for making it clear Bazza that for a price at least 3 times less than what legal hosts paid for product, a pirate can walk in license GEM and be good to go today. Once he or she has paid the price of roughly $3500.00 which is $1500.00 less than the fair retail value of the product according to court awards of $5,000.00. So the pirate is granted amnesty, without even an audit for a wholesale price. Here I though that AMNESTY for a price with no audit was an abomination, at least that is what I was told when I proposed a similar solution almost two years ago. See if you wait long enough the sensible course always wins out.

I agree with Bazaa - the Sound Choice GEM set, and for that matter, the original CD+G distributions the GEM is based on, are some of the best quality karaoke recordings there are. I believe most people recognize that. It doesn't mean he or I are kissing (@$%&#!), we are just stating an opinion that is widely held by many KJ's.

-Chris

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@ The Lone Ranger - You are becoming just as much of a fearmonger and spreader of false information as "he who shall not be named". Please observe as I correct everything you just posted.



The GEM is currently priced at $5000, not $3500.
http://www.soundchoicestore.com/gem-ser ... pg-59.html

ANYONE can buy this including "legal" hosts.
ANYONE can be "go to go" (sic).

If it happens to be a pirate, their reasons could include cleaning up their act, or ensuring they don't come under scrutiny, or something else. Regardless of their reasons, once they voluntarily obtain a GEM set, they will likely no longer be pirating the SC material in the GEM. That isn't amnesty, that is smart business on the part of the pirate.

If a pirate settles as a result of a lawsuit, then they have to pay much more than the $3500 - $5000 retail price. I don't recall the exact numbers but it seems to me I have seen anywhere from $8000 to much more depending on the extent of piracy.

Finally, while a pirate who settles may still obtain a GEM at a rate much less than a KJ invested 15-20 years ago, they are still paying a LOT MORE than a "legal" host who is just starting out and buying material through eBay and Craigslist. In reality, they will be paying at least 3 times or more then a host that takes the high road from the get go.



See above. Do your research. Be accurate and truthful.



If a pirate is sued, then as part of discovery, an inventory of what Sound Choice material the pirate has on disc and what Sound Choice material is on drive (or burned to disc) is requested, and if provided, compared to determine damages. That is effectively an audit. As noted above, if they settle, they have to pay an larger fee for the GEM then retail.




If you haven't figured it out yet, pretty much anything you say is disregarded by those that are informed. So anything you say, true or (mostly) false, is going to be disregarded. Again, the only reason I will continue to respond to you is to correct your mis-information.

By the way......since you are so glued to the concept of amnesty, take a look at the Stellar/PHM CAP program. That *is* almost by definition and amnesty program yet you give it no airplay. Why not? I honestly don't care what you say your answer is because I already know the answer. But blather away if you wish. You will get to China eventually.

-Chris

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So it's okay to try to tear down a company and spout lies about it but bad to praise it. Sounds logical to me.

Chris don't worry about his blathering. The thread he created as of this time has zero responses.

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The current standard settlement price is $9000, but that only includes 3,000 tracks from the GEM series. If you want the other 3,000, you can purchase them as an add-on to the settlement at $1 per, for a total of $12,000.

You are right that I don't keep up with the price structure of SC products. I recall someone mentioning there was a sale on the GEM series where you could license it for $3500.00 and get a free player thrown in. The amount of awards as far as cash in the Panama city cases was indeed around $5,000.00. If the price is indeed $5,000.00 then the host that paid fair retail for the same product orginally paid more than $15,000.00. It is amnesty Chris for a set sum of money you pay off the manu and and will not come after you, if you happen to be illegal, or if you simply don't want to deal with the possibility of a suit. Also there was the host a few months back that tried to auction off his GEM series on ebay remember for $2,000.00? The reason Stellar/PHM CAP program gets no air time is because that company is not actively filing lawsuits like SC and PR, they keep a low profile. Just how effective has been this CAP program? I've heard nothing about it, they have not made a big splash about it like SC and now PR are doing. Actually at a monthly rate of the Cloud it is more attractive since a host only has to come up with 99.00 a month and not have to worry about PR coming after them, no audit. The principle of the plan is the same it is only the dollar amount and it being restricted to the individual manu product that is different from what I originally proposed. The only thing that makes is palatable now is that the manus are pursuing such a program. I never thought that amnesty was a bad idea, it was the other hosts that told me it was unjust. It's ok if you don't say the word as long as you have the program in place.

Which supports my point Jim that if you are going to be using the SC product it is more cost effective to pay sooner not later. Better yet if you want to license it simply keep checking on ebay and wait for another host that needs money and is willing to sell at a reduced rate. Also the awards in the Panama City case were only $5,000 per defendant, that were upheld on appeal, right Jim. I guess there is room to knock down that 12,000.00 if you stick it out.

I am going to go ahead and concede on the word "amnesty". Even Sound Choice says "Get Legit or Quit!". Approach them first and you can make things right. They just want fair compensation for what people are using. They don't even have to be as nice about it as they are. I personally think they are way to nice about it to the detriment of legitimate hosts. But It is a good business decision for them and I respect that.

But it isn't as devious as you frame it. Just so happens that is the way most people work things. Local police departments run amnesty programs from time to time. So do governments. Some of the current illegal immigrant -> Citizenship programs are also amnesty programs. I know my father went a lot easier on me when I proactively confessed to taking the car out for a drive when he was out of town than when he just found out about it on his own.

However, amnesty only forgives you of past transgressions.

Buy a GEM and use it across multiple concurrent systems and you can and should be sued.
Get audited and then use the same tracks across multiple concurrent systems, same thing.
It isn't the free pass you make it out to be.

-Chris

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Bummer. You didn't get it.

The best Country genre has been and still is Chartbuster

The best show tunes, including not just broadway but movies like Grease and Little Shop Of Horrors has been and still is Pocket Songs

Doo-Wop and Oldies? Though certainly short on production values, the closest to the originals in terms of arrangements is Music Maestro

BTW- SC is probably the ONLY mfr. of completely un-useable Elvis, and even SGB does a better job with Sinatra with a few songs, though Pocket is the real source for him.

Zoom does at least as good and maybe better with pop, as does SyberSound.

But hey, if it makes you feel good- go get 'em!

They DO make a nice duet disc, and SOME of their oldies are damn good, and many ( not all) Of their Star series are really good.

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The only thing SC was ever good at was rock and metal, SBI is catching up in that department. I think Zoom would do real well with rock, if they worked on more of it. It's a real shame what has happened. It's a real shame that Pop and Country are dominating Karaoke, too.

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Little to no Country done at my bar. When it does, I use Chartbuster.
I actually do get a fair number of show tunes. I use a bunch of different manus for those.

Doo-Wop and Oldies......pretty rare at my place.
Not a single Elvis tune in 3 years.......an absolute blessing IMO.
Sinatra....he makes an appearance now and then.
Pop.....sucks.

What YOU fail to understand is that not every karaoke show has been around for 20 years and not every karaoke show has 50 years olds singing the songs of yesteryear.

What you also fail to understand is that for each of the manufacturers you pointed out, the moment you step outside of the genres you pointed out, they fail miserably. Sound Choice, as a whole, produced the widest acceptable range of karaoke music, especially during the golden years of karaoke when rock and roll was king.

I would put a GEM set up against a matching collection from any other manufacturers out there any day of the week. Stellar is the only one that could come close.

I am even going to go out on a limb and say that Sound Choice produced more rare tracks than any other karaoke company (rare defined as tracks that no one else, or very few others, ever recorded)

So yea.....if you want to do some doo-wop, which unless you are running a theme night, might be 1-2 of the tracks of the 50-70 that get played in an average karaoke night (and usually ZERO at my places), go ahead and believe that the entire Music Maestro Library compared against the entire Sound Choice library is superior.

-Chris

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Actually, except for the pan flute, I have found that DK has done more quality tracks than SC. For modern stuff, there is no competition, since they can't seem to get licensed to make new music. I actually can't believe that you would say the PHM was even close to SC in Quality, though. SBI and Zoom are the closest in quality, now-a-days.

BTW, SBI does some pretty damn good Country.

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