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c. staley wrote:
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Which leads us to today, as the game has changed.
The game changes, the rules change. That's life. Honestly, if their sales hadn't been decimated by thieves, you'd have never been effected by any of this and you'd still be buying and using their product.


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Moot point isn't it since it appears SC has simply decided that everyone is a thief unless you pay them?


No. It is not a moot point. No. SC has not decided what you are accusing them of.

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And exactly what product would that be that I would be buying? Their "catalog" is daily becoming nothing more than a collection of oldies.


Again, to assist you in comprehending, if SC's sales hadn't been decimated by thieves, this situation would NOT EXIST. Logically, in a scenario where piracy has not damaged the manufacturers' sales, they'd still be producing and updating their catalogs.

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(At least we can still get $20/disc for DK. Can you say the same for SC that currently run an average of $13.50 on Ebay?)


Sure there are suckers on eBay. I've never paid more than $5 on average for a DK disc. I own the original 1-99 and the 115 disc complete Encore/Millenium series. Actually, I own more than one of each of those sets. Truth is, I'm gonna watch for your eBay auctions and see how they do. When comparing the average price of an OOP series of collectible CD+G's to the average price of non-collectible (value) retail discs, you aren't making any sense.

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I also dealt with the "strange" disc that had been produced by Just Tracks, that I did not own, in a manner that would demonstrate by transparency, that I did not COPY their material or the tracks that Dell (the singer) had asked me to play from the disc that he, not I, possessed.



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"Demonstrate by transparency" is the long spelling of "fear." I have no desire and no need to operate my business (if I have one, ask Athena) as though I'm preparing to defend myself against a demanded search out of the fear you label as "transparency."


Demonstrate by transparency precludes fear.

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Comprehension, c. staley. Understanding what you are reading is paramount when discussing any subject with intelligence.



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Man up MtnKaraoke. If you're going to call me stupid, just do it. No need to play "Thunder Games." I can comprehend just fine. It's the truck-sized holes in your argument you continually try to deflect by using your veiled name-calling tricks like this.


I'm nothing less than a man. I don't think you're stupid. I think that your response to my post indicated that you did not comprehend my post.


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Nobody is whining here. You and Birdofsong are attempting to equate business and legal matters with acts of pulling down your pants, bending over, being snookered up the wazoo, and or getting a bug up your rear end. You are both capable of making your point without these blatant, disparaging in their intent, references. If you politely refrain from using these offensive, idiomatic expressions when replying directly to me, I'll not mention your strange pre-occupation again.


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Now we're talking about a failure to comprehend. For some strange reason, you're constantly thinking that any such reference is somehow directed specifically to you in your situation.


When you are replying specifically to me and insinuating that someone is being bent over or snookered or pulling down their pants am I supposed to conclude that you don't mean me? Who do you mean then? Why is it necessary to use buggery based references when you could just as easily say "taking advantage of" or your "illegal search".

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Don't overinflate your ego on my behalf.

Don't concern yourself with my ego. You are irrelevant and have no effect.

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If you didn't feel that you were already -to use YOUR terminology - "being snookered up the wazoo" you wouldn't "get a bug up your rear end" every time you read it.


I submit for your consideration:

c. staley | Post subject: Re: Gem series, legality of SC lawsuits, and copyright vs trademark Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:56 am

"...Those that lease the Gem series have been snookered up the wazoo..."

Whose terminology?

You can remove your foot from your mouth now. Looks like a nasty case of athlete's-tongue.

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The pesticide is free.


You can keep it. In fact you can store it right next to your head. You know where.

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I couldn't agree more Sandman. You put it very well. I can not understand why professional KJs could be so indignant, as you put it, against the efforts to try to rid karaoke piracy.

The costs for the amount of time & effort these two put into refuting the efforts of SC & CB in their anti-piracy policies, would probably amount monetarily to much more than audit fees assessed by CB & SC combined.

"Much more" is the operative phrase, but I'll permit you - in the interest of "fighting piracy" to pay for it since it is such and insignificant annoyance.

Forward your check anytime...


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I submit for your consideration:

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c. staley | Post subject: Re: Gem series, legality of SC lawsuits, and copyright vs trademark Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:56 am

"...Those that lease the Gem series have been snookered up the wazoo..."


MtnKaraoke wrote:
Whose terminology?

You can remove your foot from your mouth now. Looks like a nasty case of athlete's-tongue.


c. staley wrote:
The pesticide is free.


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You can keep it. In fact you can store it right next to your head. You know where.


yawn...


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Mtn, I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure that in the past couple of weeks the members of this board are mature enough to see what's what and who's who.


Well said timberlea!

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I couldn't agree more Sandman. You put it very well. I can not understand why professional KJs could be so indignant, as you put it, against the efforts to try to rid karaoke piracy.

The costs for the amount of time & effort these two put into refuting the efforts of SC & CB in their anti-piracy policies, would probably amount monetarily to much more than audit fees assessed by CB & SC combined.

"Much more" is the operative phrase, but I'll permit you - in the interest of "fighting piracy" to pay for it since it is such and insignificant annoyance.

Forward your check anytime...



Tell you what c. staley. I am going to make you a sincere offer right now.

If you will allow me to, I will pay the audit fee in full directly to SC after you allow them and Sound Choice agrees to perform an audit. You must pass the audit with 100% compliance.

What do you say?

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I couldn't agree more Sandman. You put it very well. I can not understand why professional KJs could be so indignant, as you put it, against the efforts to try to rid karaoke piracy.

The costs for the amount of time & effort these two put into refuting the efforts of SC & CB in their anti-piracy policies, would probably amount monetarily to much more than audit fees assessed by CB & SC combined.

"Much more" is the operative phrase, but I'll permit you - in the interest of "fighting piracy" to pay for it since it is such and insignificant annoyance.

Forward your check anytime...



Tell you what c. staley. I am going to make you a sincere offer right now.

If you will allow me to, I will pay the audit fee in full directly to SC after you allow them and Sound Choice agrees to perform an audit. You must pass the audit with 100% compliance.

What do you say?


I'll pay for c. staley's CB audit if the SC audit is passed with 100% compliance within 5 business days from today, July 24th 2011 ~

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Here we go again. Athena, if I didn't know better, I would think you were calling us names. Don't worry. I'll light a candle for you.

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Tell you what c. staley. I am going to make you a sincere offer right now.

If you will allow me to, I will pay the audit fee in full directly to SC after you allow them and Sound Choice agrees to perform an audit. You must pass the audit with 100% compliance.

What do you say?



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Now, you couldn't get permission to copy their trademark even if you wanted it. Seems to me that you've cut off your nose to spite your face. I can only assume you are going to do the same when CB and Stellar come calling.

Yeah, that's a shame.


Well, for starters, since we are vehemently opposed to SC's "M.O." (modus operandi), we've had no interest/desire/need to cave in to their wishes and submit to any kind of "audit" since the beginning. If we did, we would have accomplished that task while they were still free. Besides, Kurt Slep himself has already posted that performing an audit on us would simply be "a waste of time and money." It would certainly be a waste of our time as well since we are no longer using their product. (According to Athena, I just might not even have a horse in the race anyway.)

We have no interest in submitting to this invasion of privacy for your edification. You money would be better served with a kiosk system that did not crash with your hosting machine.

See that? Just like SC, we're "helping you" already... Except that our "help" doesn't cost you a dime.


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I'll pay for c. staley's CB audit if the SC audit is passed with 100% compliance within 5 business days from today, July 24th 2011 ~


Please see above. We're "helping YOU" as well.


(I feel better already.... that's two tragically, almost dangerously lost souls that we've saved today.)

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Wall and Sandman,
so guys what excuse did Chip give to refuse you kind offers ? or will I be shocked and find out he accepted ?

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Wall and Sandman,
so guys what excuse did Chip give to refuse you kind offers ? or will I be shocked and find out he accepted ?


Chip's answer is above.

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Wall and Sandman,
so guys what excuse did Chip give to refuse you kind offers ? or will I be shocked and find out he accepted ?


Chip's answer is above.

She would be required to take me off ignore to read it .... which she probably will.... because the suspense is killing her.....

You might want to ask her if I would even need an audit if I don't have "a horse in the race" so she better get moving on her investigation and confirmation.... we're still waiting.


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[Tell you what c. staley. I am going to make you a sincere offer right now.

If you will allow me to, I will pay the audit fee in full directly to SC after you allow them and Sound Choice agrees to perform an audit. You must pass the audit with 100% compliance.

What do you say?


Pay SC? The offer should have been to pay C. his minimum fee for an event- to compensate for his time and effort- and SC should get zip. That would be a more sensible offer.

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Pay SC? The offer should have been to pay C. his minimum fee for an event- to compensate for his time and effort- and SC should get zip. That would be a more sensible offer.


I would "chip" in on this. :lol:


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I would "chip" in on this. :lol:
You just want more posters...... with your name on them this time...


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Pay SC? The offer should have been to pay C. his minimum fee for an event- to compensate for his time and effort- and SC should get zip. That would be a more sensible offer.


I would "chip" in on this. :lol:


Awesome Bazza!

I feel a coalition coming on.

However, my "chipping in" is about to expire. Needs to be done quickly, & IMO, in person. Not Skype if other people are going to put up the money.

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I'll "chip" in too...if he submits to an in person audit within 5 days and agrees to have the results published. How many do we have in the coalition so far ?

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You're wasting your time. You don't even know if I have "a horse in the race" yet.

Besides, your group could never raise enough... ever.


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Your self inflicted liability (business) based on an indignant reaction to the realities of this industry as it stands in 2011 is the real shame here. As long time "pro's" in this business you and c. staley actually had the opportunity to lead with principle, integrity and constructive action. Instead, you chose to vilify and condemn the manufacturers while you admittedly sat by and did nothing.

You were never named in a lawsuit by Sound Choice or their attorneys. Now, you couldn't get permission to copy their trademark even if you wanted it. Seems to me that you've cut off your nose to spite your face. I can only assume you are going to do the same when CB and Stellar come calling.

Yeah, that's a shame.


I couldn't agree more Sandman. You put it very well. I can not understand why professional KJs could be so indignant, as you put it, against the efforts to try to rid karaoke piracy.

The costs for the amount of time & effort these two put into refuting the efforts of SC & CB in their anti-piracy policies, would probably amount monetarily to much more than audit fees assessed by CB & SC combined.



8) Who would want to use their PRODUCT when it is not needed to run a successful show. It is not the question of ridding the karaoke of piracy, it is the manner in which it is trying to be achieved. The policy of everyone is guilty until you pay to prove your innocent goes against every principle of justice, we have been taught since childhood. Why should this industry submit to a state within a state, that wants to control totally, who can and can't run their own business. I feel very sorry for hosts that are so willing to abandon all of their hard fought for rights under the constitution, for the promises of the manus that could change with the blowing wind. Then it is hard for people willing to abandon principles to understand people that have principles they feel are more important, than going along to get along.


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