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His name is Chip, not Super Duper Poster (that's his status)... Look 2 lines above what you thought was the name.

I don't know, Cue. In light of Bird proclaiming Chip to be so sexy, maybe "Super Duper" is his nickname.

I love the play on words Leopard...

What exactly is a duper? I believe that would be one who dupes.

A super duper would be one who dupes exceedingly well.

Understand, I am not referring to a duper that creates duplicates.

No one or nothing has been duped here.


Though, a backup as referred to by the OP could be defined as a dupe.

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To C. Staley or Chip,

Could you send me a copy of the email thread from 1998? It would be extremely helpful for my research. It could quite possibly help a great many small karaoke operators. darbykproductions@yahoo.com

Thanks again,

Darby

ps thanks to all who gave me the correct name

Also maybe.

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Allow me to help out a bit. The reason for the lack of answers on a public forum, and the "maybes" is actually very simple:

If you look on any of the mfrs. sites- including SC- you will find that THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO GRANT PERMISSION TO THE END USER TO MEDIA SHIFT..

What they WILL do is tell you that if you satisfy their requirements ( maybe pay for an audit, or settle, or buy something- you know, where they can PROFIT), they will look the other way, and may not sue you. The ONLY ones who can give actual permission to media shift is the owner/publisher of the music.

Please note that I said MAY not sue. Back in the end of the 90's Kurt stated for publication ( a link that has been posted here several times) that backing up for archive was perfectly fine. Now, however, a different tone has been set, simply due to the realization of possible profit.

Since the company has been shown to be prone to a change of heart, the best you might hope for is that MAYBE they won't sue you, even after you meet their requirements. Ya never know...

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@JoeChartreuse - It isn't as simple as you may think.

In my case I asked about the additional scenario of backing up to a stationary server on my home network for the specific purposes of 1) having an additional backup in the event of a catastrophic failure of all other systems and 2) to easily reproduce a production drive in case of said scenario.

If I were on the other side of this, I would immediately be cautious because point #2 is exactly what the hard drive pirates are doing - they have a primary source like a server that they are duplicating drives from.

In addition to that, any system that is connected to a network has the potential to serve whatever is on said system to the network it is connected to. Precautions have to be taken to prevent that from taken place.

HarringtonLaw and I have been chatting in email and I am satisfied with the responses I have received to my questions. Since it was my original post and my scenario, I consider my questions answered. Unless you plan on doing what I asked about, I would suggest you are just arguing to argue. It certainly does not impact you in the least if you aren't planning to backup the same way I asked about.

Finally, I appreciated it being taken offline so I could discuss it directly without all the other crap that inevitably would and did work it's way into the conversation.

My questions were answered. I am done with this thread.


-Chris

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I'd ask for a show of hands of those that DO NOT have a back up HD of everything they have ripped to a working (as being used) HD, but I don't think I would see any hands.

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How very informative for the rest of us!

You asked a question in open forum for a reason so why would you be concerned what others say? You could have just ask it in a PM or email. Maybe you should have sent it in an inter-office memo!

So now you want to take your football and go home, bye!

1) I asked in an open forum hoping there would be a blanket answer that covers everyone for the questions I asked. It wasn't as simple as that.

2) HarringtonLaw asked to take it offline. I obliged.

3) To quote myself - "Finally, I appreciated it being taken offline so I could discuss it directly without all the other crap that inevitably would and did work it's way into the conversation."

-Chris

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Why is the answer to your (seemingly innocent) question such a big secret?

It isn't a secret. For me it is about trust.

HarringtonLaw asked to take it offline. We did. We opened a dialog. It became a private conversation at that point. For me there was an assumption of trust that was established. I would prefer to maintain that trust.

For me it is as simple as that.

-Chris

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One would expect that of all people, HarringtonLaw would want everyone on this site to know how to handle backups legally....

The fact that he wanted to take it to privacy specifically to avoid addressing it in public at all seems fishy... wouldn't you agree?

I asked to take it private because I had some specific questions about his setup that he might not want to discuss on a public forum. But, as a bonus, I get the added benefit of stoking your curiosity and driving your imagination. Since you don't use SC, there is no need for you to know what I told him.

Very snotty response... especially to all the others that do use SC tracks... That's not what I would characterize as a "helpful and informative" ...

Makes you being so elusive on the subject even fishier...

It's looking more and more like you want people to make these kinds of mistakes making backups so you can sue them later.

Why am I not surprised?

Why would you care about the people you denigrate as inferior because they want to use SC?

c. staley wrote:

Feel that imagination being driven?

Anyone who wants to ask me for SC's position on how to manage their SC collection is free to post here or email me.

Um, the answer is NO. No permission is required to back up from disc to disc, tape, to tape, etc. This applies to karaoke, software, standard CDs, or other products. You are allowed to make media to media ( no alteration) back-ups for single site use. PERIOD.

However, this is ONLY for single site use. In other words, you may NOT use the backup at one site while using the original at another.

As for chrisavis's decision not to disclose what was said in private conversation, I respect it. I have had many conversations with people holding opposing positions than mine, and am able to do so based on that very same trust.

I'm not thrilled that they decided to take it private, but having done so, breaking that privacy would be a violation of trust.

I may not like being left in the dark, but I have to agree with with chrisavis's decision.

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Nice try at putting words in my mouth, it appears to be a favorite hobby of yours.
Please show me where I've EVER "denigrated" ANYONE because they "want to use SC."

They are welcome to use it all they like. I've decided not to specifically to avoid your "legal business model" that sues KJ's and clubs whether or not they have or even use discs as exampled by the current suit you have against disc-based KJ's.




So answer it now - why is it still a secret and you're being evasive?

Still seems fishy.....

It's not a secret. But the only person who's questioning me about it is someone who says he doesn't use SC. You don't need to know about it. I certainly don't need to tell you; you'll just misquote or criticize my answer anyway. And I can secretly delight in how much it kills you not to know what I said. Win/win.

Well then, how about if I ask the question? I still use some original SC discs in my show, and have said so in the past.

Also, I'm pretty certain that SC has checked me out, and knows this to be true.

So, what are your thoughts on ME backing up my original discs onto discs?

I would prefer that your answer be posted here, so that other disc based hosts might learn from it.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

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