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Yeah no kidding. He say's :



What authority does this guy have to do that? Sounds like the man has some kind of power trip.

Don't worry, I won't go to his shows. Sounds like they suck with his attitude!

Don't be ridiculous timberlea... you know I don't need one. (Maybe in Canada you do.)

You bring me a disc and I'll give you a choice:

#1. If it is not Sound Choice, I'll play it.

#2. If it IS Sound Choice I won't play it.

#3. If you don't know, you AGREE to surrender the disc if SC's logo (or portion thereof) shows up on the screen.

So, in this case, YES I "do have the legal authority" granted by the disc owner.

Any questions?

That is not what you said! You made a threat!



Who do you think you are?

Yet again he changes his story.

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Are you planning on lying? Because if you do, you will lose the disc ON THE SPOT.

How much clearer to I need to make this?

No, you are making it very clear. You will steal someones property at your shows based on your rules. It may be petty theft but it is still a crime. It surely says a lot about you and you karaoke shows and I would behoove anyone to boycott your shows just based on your intent to engage in criminal activity.

Not at all.
You'll know the rules before you submit a disc to be played... it's entirely up to YOU, not me.

Don't want to lose your disc?

Don't bring it in if it's a Sound Choice disc or track.

I wouldn't be so hard on him. If they are illegal burns then he is doing SC a favor by getting rid of them. I can't imagine he would keep them as then he would have a bunch of illegal SC copies gathering dust somewhere.

It's actually a favor to myself and my clubs - we don't need this vendor.

Not true.

You would not have the legal right to confiscate the property of someone else just because they broke your little rule and lied to you. You could show them the door, but your rule is not a legal authority to confiscate.

By law, you would be considered a thief if you followed through with not returning the property and charges could be pressed against you.

Wanna bet?

Show me the law. Bet you can't!

From the Michigan Penal Code:

750.356 Larceny; property; penalties; total value of property stolen; enhanced sentence; prior convictions; "nonferrous metal" defined.
Sec. 356.

(1) A person who commits larceny by stealing any of the following property of another person is guilty of a crime as provided in this section:

(a) Money, goods, or chattels.

(5) If the property stolen has a value of less than $200.00, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 93 days or a fine of not more than $500.00 or 3 times the value of the property stolen, whichever is greater, or both imprisonment and a fine.

So Chip exactly what law and/or case law allows you to confiscate (steal) someone else's property?

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You were a cop? Really? Do you not know the difference between larceny and an agreement?

Let me spell it out for you R-E-A-L S-L-O-W in case you missed it. Let's pretend that YOU (the epitome of law enforcement) comes into my show with a burned disc....

YOU: "I want you to play song #4 on this disc"
ME: "What brand is it?"
YOU: "I'm not sure. I made it as a compilation off my huge collection at home so I don't have to carry all the discs with me."
ME: "I can't play any Sound Choice songs. Could it be Sound Choice?"
YOU: "I'm pretty sure it's not Sound Choice."
ME: "I will play it, but if the Sound Choice logo comes up, I will stop the song and I will not return the disc, and you will lose your turn. Do you agree to forfeit this disc and not get it back if I put this disc in and the Sound Choice logo comes up? "


----- THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE ----

If you say "No way Jose!" then you can pick something off the kiosk or sit down and drink your water with your disc in your lap.... but,

IF you say "Okay" and the logo comes up, the disc is MINE.... it is NOT "theft", it is NOT "larceny" and it is NOT "stealing."

It's called.... wait for it..... "an agreement."

I realize that in Western Canada this is a fairly simple concept.... in Eastern Canada, it seems to be a brain-twister.

Why do I have to spend this much time explaining it to you?

Is it really that difficult?

What you do not understand is that you cannot make such an agreement. You DO NOT own the disc. All you can LEGALLY do is stop the player and return the disc. There is no LAW saying you are allowed to take it. Now do you get it. You can have all the agreemnts in the world but that does not make them legal. Again, show us exactly where in any law that a person can take another's property, without a warrant or court order?

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Sounds more like gambling to me.

This is an "Agreement" and I'm fully capable and so is the singer bringing in the disc of making this agreement. Show me the law where you cannot make an agreement between two consenting adults for the transfer of property. You should be able to find that pretty quickly since you seem to know everything...

Why don't you have your "lead IP attorney" HarringtonLaw spell it out for you.... because now you are arguing just to argue and stir the pot. (also referred to as "trolling.")

@c. staley - With all due respect to your tenure on these forums and as a KJ, you (and many others) are a prime example of someone arguing just to argue. You have made your position perfectly clear yet you repeat it over and over and over.

You (and most others) have not offered anything new or insightful regarding the Sound Choice lawsuits since I have been on the forums (a short 3 weeks now).

Again, with due respect, at this point all you are doing is ranting. It has become quite boring and is simply littering the forums at this point.

I am all about free speech and I don't mean to suggest that people on these forums shouldn't speak their mind or express their opinions. We should all be familiar with the phrase "opinions are like assholes and everyone has one". The turning point is when you can't distinguish the (@$%&#!) from the opinion or the individual.

There is no value in repetitive blathering.

-Chris

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far from a legal mind, but this part to me seems like opening my CD+g with a paper inside saying i can not copy it to a hard drive and making that an agreement just by opening the disc. are agreements legally binding or not?

and at the same time...i agree.....
put the wangs away, nobody cares who's is bigger.

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C. staley, at least, I know that a verbal agreement is legal and binding. But, to be sure, I would have them sign a document.

But, for me, I don't play anyone's disc for any reason...problem solved.

On a side note: If I were feeling generous and wanted to play a track from someone's personal disc, I can preview the track with a Laptop that I use for music fill that is NOT used to run the Karaoke Show. This way, there is no PUBLIC performance view of any Trademark.

But, who needs the grief?