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Smoothedge69
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PyleDriver wrote: You don't need to be CB certified, just have the original CD's. Are you sure your CD's arn't bootleg? Alot are that are coming off of Ebay...
Jon I got them from Amazon. They don't look like CD-Rs. They have all the numbers and even a bar code imprinted on the center of the disk.
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PyleDriver wrote: Ok, this is the scoop per David Grimes at 800-347-5504. If you have the original SGB CD's it's alright to media shift at 1:1 for shows, but cannot be used in any way for any recordings... The songs that they could get licence aggrements for are remastered and in the CB12000 now under CB trademark...
Jon PyleDriver wrote: You don't need to be CB certified, just have the original CD's. Are you sure your CD's arn't bootleg? Alot are that are coming off of Ebay...
Jon Thanks for the update PyleDriver!
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hiteck wrote: kjmann wrote: I had Spoken to Greg Taylor at chartbuster about the SGB's When I bought My CB6000 set. He said YES, They do own the SGB Series and he went as far as to say that it was ok for me to use them on my computer since I was a Certified ChartBuster KJ.
There is your answer.
=) Has anyone gone through a CB audit recently and been questioned about SGB? ChrisAvis maybe? I also purchased the CB 12000+ Drive so no Chartbuster was done as a part of my Chartbuster certification. -Chris
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Smoothedge69
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PyleDriver wrote: Ok, this is the scoop per David Grimes at 800-347-5504. If you have the original SGB CD's it's alright to media shift at 1:1 for shows, but cannot be used in any way for any recordings... The songs that they could get licence aggrements for are remastered and in the CB12000 now under CB trademark...
Jon Thank you, very much.
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So how can you tell illegally made discs SGB discs from 'original' SGB discs? Any tell tale signs? If you are shifting from an illegal bootlegged disc - that be the same as purchasing an illegal hard drive would it not?
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Smoothedge69
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Lonman wrote: So how can you tell illegally made discs SGB discs from 'original' SGB discs? Any tell tale signs? If you are shifting from an illegal bootlegged disc - that be the same as purchasing an illegal hard drive would it not? Amazon is a Major seller of goods. Do you honestly think they would be selling bootlegs?? That would destroy their reputation. They would be opening themselves up to lawsuits and massive damages.
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China could stop the downloads from its shores but it won't. They're making money off it.
The SC actions are relatively recent in the realm of the legal system. They may not stop it but the will recover their losses to the best of their ability. Not much different than the drug trade. Get rid of one dealer a few more crop up. Why does it flourish? Simple because of the users. If people didn't use drugs (or steal music), then the dealers (and the pirates) wouldn't have any customers. As I've said before, some people think the internet equals free music, movies, books, etc, and cannot (or will not) see what they are doing is theft.
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PyleDriver wrote: Ok, this is the scoop per David Grimes at 800-347-5504. If you have the original SGB CD's it's alright to media shift at 1:1 for shows, but cannot be used in any way for any recordings... The songs that they could get licence aggrements for are remastered and in the CB12000 now under CB trademark...
Jon So.. really.. some of that 12,000 is SGB???!!! How do I know which ones?? I don't like that.. thinking i'm using a CB track but it's really SGB..  SGB sucked on alot of stuff! _________________  SoundChoice Certification coming soon!
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Lisah
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Makin' note to call David Grimes.. Just something else I've got to do for this business that isn't paying enough!!  _________________ SoundChoice Certification coming soon!
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PyleDriver
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Lonnie I'm wondering also about SGB discs. I have 3 sets now. One is a 29 disc Rock set from Ebay, orange and white and has the disc ID on the back. The other I got as a gift last week, the entire set is black and green-gold with MD011R802 ect. on the back, and a 10 disc Toolbox set blue and white with MD0215L02 ect. on the back. So you tell me? The Rock set is the one I'm suspect of, as I have a few bad tracks on it.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: So how can you tell illegally made discs SGB discs from 'original' SGB discs? Any tell tale signs? If you are shifting from an illegal bootlegged disc - that be the same as purchasing an illegal hard drive would it not? Amazon is a Major seller of goods. Do you honestly think they would be selling bootlegs?? That would destroy their reputation. They would be opening themselves up to lawsuits and massive damages. Amazon doesn't necessarily sell direct from them, anyone can sell through them. If you ever look at the description, it will tell you who the actual seller is. Sometimes it's Amazon, much of the time it's a second party seller so Amazon may not ever know what is being sold. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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PyleDriver wrote: Lonnie I'm wondering also about SGB discs. I have 3 sets now. One is a 29 disc Rock set from Ebay, orange and white and has the disc ID on the back. The other I got as a gift last week, the entire set is black and green-gold with MD011R802 ect. on the back, and a 10 disc Toolbox set blue and white with MD0215L02 ect. on the back. So you tell me? The Rock set is the one I'm suspect of, as I have a few bad tracks on it.
Jon The ones I have from back in 98 when they first started to pop up were all gold if I recall. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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timberlea wrote: China could stop the downloads from its shores but it won't. They're making money off it.
The SC actions are relatively recent in the realm of the legal system. They may not stop it but the will recover their losses to the best of their ability. Not much different than the drug trade. Get rid of one dealer a few more crop up. Why does it flourish? Simple because of the users. If people didn't use drugs (or steal music), then the dealers (and the pirates) wouldn't have any customers. As I've said before, some people think the internet equals free music, movies, books, etc, and cannot (or will not) see what they are doing is theft. Uh oh- we are in complete agreement here! I've read of what happens when matter and anti-matter meet..... 
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Lonman wrote: PyleDriver wrote: Lonnie I'm wondering also about SGB discs. I have 3 sets now. One is a 29 disc Rock set from Ebay, orange and white and has the disc ID on the back. The other I got as a gift last week, the entire set is black and green-gold with MD011R802 ect. on the back, and a 10 disc Toolbox set blue and white with MD0215L02 ect. on the back. So you tell me? The Rock set is the one I'm suspect of, as I have a few bad tracks on it.
Jon The ones I have from back in 98 when they first started to pop up were all gold if I recall. Still, they have a reputation to uphold. They have to use reputable sellers, not any old schmuck.
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I have the 66 disc collection.. they are gold and black.. had them for a very long time.. I have seen some purple and white ones.. ? Google it!! ???  _________________ SoundChoice Certification coming soon!
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Still, they have a reputation to uphold. They have to use reputable sellers, not any old schmuck. Actually you are mistaken, any old schmuck CAN sell on Amazon - just like Ebay, as long as the seller pays their fees and creates a seller account, that's all they need. Again, the indicator of who you are buying from is in the description whether it's from Amazon directly or through a seller using Amazon as their avenue. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Still, they have a reputation to uphold. They have to use reputable sellers, not any old schmuck. Actually you are mistaken, any old schmuck CAN sell on Amazon - just like Ebay, as long as the seller pays their fees and creates a seller account, that's all they need. Again, the indicator of who you are buying from is in the description whether it's from Amazon directly or through a seller using Amazon as their avenue. I'm not going to worry about it. I am not getting into this business to worry all the time if I am doing everything right, and worry about who is watching. I bought them from a legit retailer, I have the documentation as such, and I bought them new, not used. I just want to get out and start making some money, doing something I enjoy doing. I am not going to give myself agita over this. I am doing everything, to the best of my ability, to be legal. Simple as that.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Still, they have a reputation to uphold. They have to use reputable sellers, not any old schmuck. Actually you are mistaken, any old schmuck CAN sell on Amazon - just like Ebay, as long as the seller pays their fees and creates a seller account, that's all they need. Again, the indicator of who you are buying from is in the description whether it's from Amazon directly or through a seller using Amazon as their avenue. I'm not going to worry about it. I am not getting into this business to worry all the time if I am doing everything right, and worry about who is watching. I bought them from a legit retailer, I have the documentation as such, and I bought them new, not used. I just want to get out and start making some money, doing something I enjoy doing. I am not going to give myself agita over this. I am doing everything, to the best of my ability, to be legal. Simple as that. In this case.. I agree with you.. chances are they are legit. I don't know who would want to forge sgb anyway  _________________ SoundChoice Certification coming soon!
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Lisah wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Still, they have a reputation to uphold. They have to use reputable sellers, not any old schmuck. Actually you are mistaken, any old schmuck CAN sell on Amazon - just like Ebay, as long as the seller pays their fees and creates a seller account, that's all they need. Again, the indicator of who you are buying from is in the description whether it's from Amazon directly or through a seller using Amazon as their avenue. I'm not going to worry about it. I am not getting into this business to worry all the time if I am doing everything right, and worry about who is watching. I bought them from a legit retailer, I have the documentation as such, and I bought them new, not used. I just want to get out and start making some money, doing something I enjoy doing. I am not going to give myself agita over this. I am doing everything, to the best of my ability, to be legal. Simple as that. I don't know who would want to forge sgb anyway Quite true. They aren't exactly award winning renditions. Just a cheap way to start.
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Smoothedge69 wrote: Lisah wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: Still, they have a reputation to uphold. They have to use reputable sellers, not any old schmuck. Actually you are mistaken, any old schmuck CAN sell on Amazon - just like Ebay, as long as the seller pays their fees and creates a seller account, that's all they need. Again, the indicator of who you are buying from is in the description whether it's from Amazon directly or through a seller using Amazon as their avenue. I'm not going to worry about it. I am not getting into this business to worry all the time if I am doing everything right, and worry about who is watching. I bought them from a legit retailer, I have the documentation as such, and I bought them new, not used. I just want to get out and start making some money, doing something I enjoy doing. I am not going to give myself agita over this. I am doing everything, to the best of my ability, to be legal. Simple as that. I don't know who would want to forge sgb anyway Quite true. They aren't exactly award winning renditions. Just a cheap way to start. That is exactly why they would be forged. There is an expectation that there will be new people coming into the business and looking to do it inexpensively. Someone pops onto Karaoke Scene asking "How do I start off cheaply?" and almost everyone will (and many of us did) say "Buy a cheap SGB set on eBay". Counterfeiters can produce those things easily on a whim and since they sell so cheap, when someone does realize it is counterfeit, they aren't out much money and so it goes unreported. If I sold you what you thought was a real Yugo for $100 and you found out it was a fake Yugo, that you would probably just live with it. I have said it before - There are pirates, counterfeiters and plenty of other unseemly characters that have accounts here and simply watch what goes on to stay informed. The bad guys aren't necessarily stupid and the good guys aren't necessarily smart. That means there is money to be made off the ignorant and un-informed. -Chris
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