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My first wife said she would stay married to me forever.

She changed her mind.

Everyone gets stuck on how when something is said by someone, that it is now forever more the rule of law. I know people like to to throw up the email from Kurt Slep about how using a copy is fine as long as you have the original but things change and he should be allowed to change his mind.

If rules/guidelines/policies weren't allowed to be modified, we would still have slavery and women would still not be able to vote.

-Chris

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The tired old "Jolt Screen Shot" argument? Sheesh. That was over a decade ago. Companies change & update their policies all the time, often to fit the always changing technical landscape. At least once a quarter I receive a long legal doc in the mail from my bank, brokerage or credit card company indicating a change in some policy.

It happens. It's not at all unusual.



Except NO COMPANY is saying that. You can use them free & clear in your CD+G player, forever.

Except that he didn't say that he had "no problem" with a media shift.

He said that it would be OK to make a backup copy of your CD+G onto another CD, but that you would still need to use the original in your shows.

I beg to differ. He said no such thing. Using the original at a show was NEVER a condition of making a back-up copy. NEVER.

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Birdofsong

What good would a back-up copy be if you still had to use the original in the show? IF the original got damaged, then you'd have the back-up .....Big Whoop... the back-up is not allowed to be used in a show.

Jus' sayin'.. .doesn't make sense

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I always played my dupes, having my originals on hand.....some originals didn't work well, or were at best, unreliable....... don't let their "like new" appearance fool you.........of course, that was just my professional opinion....

Mine said the same thing, and 38 years later, I'm still trying to give her the slip.............she already took back the bra & panties........

The point was that if the original got damaged, you could use the backup at the show as long as you kept the original with it. The point was not to use "all backups" at the show and keep your originals at home.

So how about a compromise.......maybe the "all my original discs are unreliable", might be a bit iffy........I brought them, though...but feel better about my dupes........wouldn't want me having a crappy show, would you?

Bazaa, you keep saying that you can use the cdgs in the cdg player, and not worry. Doesn't the Soundchoice "logo" still appear on the video screen? Isn't that what people are being sued for? It's my understanding that kj's are being sued for displaying the "logo" without permission. To me this means whether you are using a "copy" that is on cdg format, or a "copy" that is on a computer, you STILL have to be "certified" in order to use them in a commercial setting. Which means going through an audit to prove that you are using a "copy" of the "original" disc. And if you ARE using only "original" discs, how would someone know whether they were "original" or not, just by seeing the logo displayed on the video screen? Am I correct or not? If I'm incorrect, please educate me.. Without a "certification", ANY kj, disc based or not, is operating without permission, unless "certified".

Srnitynow

They are being sued for displaying a counterfeit copy of the logo.

Um, so as long as the originals are on-site it's ok to use a dup? I made copies of all my originals (years ago) so that I could leave the originals at home. The reason being that at one of my gigs.... low-lifes would steal disc's whenever I turned my back! My area was small and right on the dance floor. I'd be talking to a customer and someone standing nearby would just reach into my case and grab a disc or two. I caught one guy, one time. But I lost quite a few of disc's over the years. At this same gig, someone managed to walk off with my book bin! It happened while I was outside loading the van with the equipment. The book bin was always the last into the van and I had left in on the ground next to the door...I was inside the back of the van scooting the equipment into place. I jumped out of the van to put the dolly and book bin in before taking off for home... book bin GONE! I didn't see anyone in the parking lot. Never did figure out who took it, but whoever did dropped it off at the front door of the bar two weeks later. Anyway, it got to the point that I wouldn't take anything extra to this gig...including the case of original discs!
All this was a long time ago and those copies are gathering dust now. Which reminds me, I've got to get going on my SC certification. Still not finished correcting my books... that's another story of how I messed up and had to start from scratch!!

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Second City, PLEASE tell me how to identify a "counterfeit copy" of a logo being displayed on a video screen....

Srnitynow

But not counterfeit if you pay them? That doesn't make sense...

One is allowed to change their mind going forward, not retroactively.
Once you have granted an easement, you cannot just take back those easement rights, the grantee must abandon them first.

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A 'copied' logo without permission.
On original disc is not a copy.

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even the U.S. government changes its mind on a radioactive basis...Think about it.

Blessings
Athena

OOPS...retrospective basis...NOT radioactive...MAO

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Actually at multiple "Jolt Summits" we we told to our faces by owners and other reps of CB and SC that they didn't have a problem with the shift as long as it was one to one. I supplied a computer based system for two summits (had the disks with me also because I didn't trust it in those days) one in VA. and one in PA. and I was told (at that time it wouldn't be a problem as long as we kept the disks and owned as many copies as we had in the shows. I know times have changed but it was said in front of many witnesses. I have no problems producing the disks if someone wants to see them. I did the cert w/ sc and only had 12 cb disks per per show until last week when I purchased 1600 for the rigs at the CB fire sale. Every CB disk I own was purchased direct from CB. I don't like being heaped in with pirates / multiriggers / etc because I run on computer. when I converted in 2004 I did it mostly because 9 knee operations and a back fusion had made it a pain in the a## to carry 2000 cds and 100 lasers with each show. I converted then so I could continue to do my job. No disrespect meant to Mr Harrington, but your client and his representatives Did verbally approve shifting "in the old days" and in many states those statements would probably hold up in court. To my fellow KJ's , if you are asked to produce the disks, show 'em. If you can't or won't, I would presume you are a pirate like most investigators. A few less threats and a little more cooperation on both sides and we might see more music again. (I'm going to need a step stool for this soap box soon- ouch)

That is not the current policy. It was the policy at the time (1998).

The current policy is that media-shifting is allowed only with notification and an audit that demonstrates 1:1 compliance. It does not matter what the non-original medium is--could be CDs, could be a hard drive, could be solid-state memory, or whatever.

You can run off duplicate CD+Gs if you go through the audit process.

Those who complied with the policy in the period between 1998 and 2011 when the policy was changed should be "grandfathered" under the original policy they complied with and left alone to run their businesses.
Those who never complied and those who are new customers should be the only ones subject to the new policy.

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