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I am not stealing the songs. I will be buying them, for whatever they are charging for them, at the time. Everyone is getting paid.I am just taking a short cut. If you don't like it, I really don't care. You want to come up with a new label for me, go right ahead. That is the way I run my shows. If I don't have a song a customer wants, I will do what I can to get it by their next turn. I also don't give a damn what YOU have. I care what my customers want. Like Chris said, at some point, UNTIL someone in AUTHORITY tells me to stop then I will.

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I just want to say that I am very impressed with your choice of words. Not only is it such an eloquent statement but a very profound one as well. Beautiful, just beautiful!

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Smooth, take a breath. you are dangerously close to popping a blood vessel.

and at the moment, no, you can not resell mp3's. ReDigi lost, even though it uploads the song from your computer to their server then deletes it from your computer, i can have another copy anywhere but that one folder. on the same token though....
i CAN resell cd's with no problem even though i have all my discs ripped onto my desktop and no one would think about reporting my sale of it as illegal. kinda strange, especially considering there are more and more albums that are being released on no physical media whatsoever, digital download only.

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We weren't talking about that. We were talking about buying stuff from Zoom, and going around the the IPA block.

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I imagine that if you are going around a block, put in place to release the producer in question of liability for what I think of as "imaginary & discriminatory" damages, then you'd be intentionally & fraudulently acquiring product... Therefore the purchase was not carried out in good faith.
On another note the scrawl on every CD & CDG warning, in some cases ambiguously, against unauthorized public performance, it took me 3 years to find an operating DJ/KJ to get a knowledgeable answer, besides the typical - "oh they don't care about that... " The ignorance continues, as MANY "strictly DJ's," are playing songs from Amazon or Walmart, when their EULA clearly states that NONE of their digital content, is to be used commercially. Yet, the karaoke industry is viewed as an evil alien cousin to the music industry!?

Who is policing it?? What authority is going to come to me and tell me to stop?? The issue USED to be piracy. Now it is being willing to pay for something that someone doesn't want you to buy?? WTF kind of crap is that? This whole intellectual property nonsense is just that!! Nonsense. If I purchase something, I should own it. Simple, point blank, done!! I bought it, I own it, like a toaster. Some scumbag musician may have made the song, but I bought my copy of it, it is now mine to do with as I please, as long as I don't make it available to others to upload to their computers. I don't give a crap where it comes from, or who made it. These music publishers are, AT LEAST, as corrupt as the oil companies!! They should all be shut down, and all their assets taken from them!!

Am I angry?? You bet I am!! Between Sound Choice and their BS policies, and their charging for every little thing, and now this ridiculous embargo I can't run my business the way I want, and in a way that serves my customers, properly. And EVERY SINGLE one of you should be livid about this move!! And you should be thinking of ways to fight it, instead of rolling over to let them pet your bellies!! What WE do matters JUST as much as what THEY do!!

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The unauthorized performance simply refers to the alphabets being paid by the clubs. Once those are paid, the performance IS authorized regardless.

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See that is the whole point, everyone THINKS they bought it so they own it, no that simply isn't the fact, you BOUGHT the method (cd, tape, mp3, etc) to play the song the songwriter owns - nothing more. You have no right to do anything more than play it back in the format it was bouth on and THAT is where the problem lies - everyone thinks because I paid for it I can do what I want with it. It really isn't yours to begin with, you just bought the media it's to be played back on only.

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Sure, so instead of showing that we are willing to break the law, we should appeal to the publisher's sense of greed (by civilly drawing their attention to the quality work they will be losing money on, by closing a huge market of sales to) AND writing our lawmakers & policy setters, to point out that this is an unfair practice. Besides our "Gr8 American Melting Pot" receives a lot of foreign exchange students & people of varying music tastes (being in a college town I have requests for German, Hindi, Danish among others.. We need to focus our anger into positive appeals, not wrecklessly proving the stupid allegations that a karaoke host can't run a show in good faith, without a self appointed producer to hold their hands (or bind them!).

I blame Metallica! They once got their name known by giving their music away in the underground & telling people to copy it and distribute. Once they got a name for themselves and making money, they were the first to start suing all file sharing sites for allowing free distribution of their music. They were the reason Napster was shut down along with others later on. No this has nothing to do with karaoke, but it is a big reason why the publishers do the restrictions they do which DOES affect karaoke.

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sorry smooth, that second part was responding to Chip's post about reselling mp3's, not you. i forgot to specify that in the response.
there was a court thing about it, it went one way in favor of reselling, but then it flipped back and got overridden.

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You, my friend, are very naive. Do you really think the publishers give a rats (@$%&#!)? Do you really think politicians care about karaoke and the music industry?

Good luck in you're crusade but I can assure you, NOTHING is going to change.

BTW, wish me luck with my new residence in Liverpool.

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Well i don't know about anyone else, but here is my position.

When KSF goes live i will be buying everything i can from them first.

If PEP starts releasing music that i want on semi-regular basis i will be buying from them as well.

However if zoom or karaokeversion happens to release a song that i want that is not available from the first two sources *or any others that may come if it can be shown that a profit can be made from producing karaoke in the us* then NOTHING is going to stop me from buying it and having a completely clear conscience about it to boot. End of story

your milage may very

-James


edit: i just thought of something kind of weird. If the founders/leaders of the States hadn't stood up to tyranny by breaking the law and fighting, it would still be a territory of the UK which ironically enough would mean this entire thread would be non existent. *lol*

Personally, I am thinking that I will never again be a customer of any of the companies again, whose parent companies disrupted our trade/art in ways that have proven to be more than favorable for the Pirates & less than favorable for KJ's & venues alike. I will not join forces or give financial gain to self important backers of Pirates. Or to anyone who's company CEO would make a reference to the "evil singers," or try to focus attention away from "compulsory licencing" or quite possibly, improper licensing, by shifting focus & blame onto the evil KJ's, none of whom allegedly could POSSIBLY be legal, to whom I've already supported to the tune of thousands of dollars in purchases over the years, only to be treated with paranoia, fear mongering, disdain & striving to conspire with publishers to "corner the market," so to speak. I wouldn't be surprised if they talked the Bush family into making oil money from war... Maybe they took that page out of their family's book, who knows?

If that is your position, then the only people you would be able to buy music from is the independants who realease their music on the internet.

EVERYONE else but cheifly Sony, EMI, Warner and a couple of other giants i'm forgetting are in on this disgusting situation.

i know it's the way it's always been.. But WHY? Why should the US get more money then the rest of the world's artists? Because they can? That's just stupid.

Give me ONE valid reason why an artist from the US or Canada deserves more money than an artist that is just as popular world wide?


it will never happen, because the big players will spend whatever it takes to keep their death grip on the industry, but there really needs to be an organization like the MCPS for the us and canada.

I'll bet if 80% of consumers boycotted buying ANY music or movies from these people it would happen, but i don't think that will ever happen either.. people are just too damn lazy or don't care. They want want they want, right now end of story..

You and I agree on this. I will not feel bad about buying UK karaoke products, in the least!! The only difference is I won't be buying any PEP products. I would rather cut my left arm off, than support Kurt Slep and his band of Merry Paranoids!!

Let me amend this............I won't buy into this prepaid nonsense. If they make single song downloads available, then I will support Kurt and the Paranoids. Otherwise, count me out.

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Okay, but how (and why) would we dump downloads into the ocean?! Lol

I think you meant to say WON'T.

even i would be up for buying PEP downloads if the back library came available.

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I amended my statement.

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